[1. Call meeting to order.]
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THIS IS THE REGULAR SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I'LL NOTICE THIS HAVE BEEN PROPERLY POSTED.
WE DO HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN ATTENDANCE WITH US TODAY, UH, UH, TRAVELING GRACE FOR MARIN INE.
SHE IS TRAVELING FOR BUSINESS.
AND, UH, I WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT OPEN CARRY IS NOT PERMITTED WITHIN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
TODAY IS, UH, ALSO A BITTERSWEET DAY AS TODAY IS, UH, THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR CITY MANAGER GREG PORTER, AFTER SERVING FOR 37 YEARS.
UM, I'M SURE YOU JUST NATURALLY JUST GONNA COME TO THE NEXT TUESDAY COUNCIL MEETING, AREN'T YOU?
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE TODAY.
SO FOR THESE YEARS, SO I WANNA OFFICIALLY CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
I HAVE 7 21, UH, ONE OF, UM, ALSO FOLLOWING WITH A INVOCATION FROM MR. JOSH PRINCE.
AND IF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JERRY MALONE WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
IF EVERYONE WILL PLEASE STAND, PLEASE.
I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO START THAT.
GREG'S NOT ALLOWED TO RETIRE, BUT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S PRETTY MUCH A DONE DEAL AT THIS.
NOTHING AGAINST MELISSA THOUGH.
UH, FATHER, I, UH, COUNTED A JOY TO BE THE CITIZEN OF A CITY THAT, UH, REQUEST PRAYER OVER THESE MEETINGS.
AND GOD, THAT IS AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO ME AS A PASTOR, AS A BELIEVER.
AND, UH, LORD, ALTHOUGH WE MIGHT NOT ALL BELIEVE THE SAME THING, IT IS GREAT THAT THE HOPE IS THAT, UH, THIS IS A PLACE OF ACCEPTANCE AND OF ENCOURAGEMENT.
UM, SO GOD, I THANK YOU FOR HOW THE COUNCIL, UH, HOPES IN THAT, THAT, UH, THEY, THEY PURSUE THAT.
UM, LORD, EVERY TIME I THINK OF THIS COUNCIL, I'M JUST REMINDED OF JEREMIAH 29 IN WHICH YOU ENCOURAGE THE, THE JEWS THAT THEY ARE TO PURSUE THE WELLBEING OF THE CITY.
'CAUSE WHEN THE CITY THRIVES, THEN THEY WILL THRIVE.
AND THAT'S MY HOPE FOR OUR CHURCH.
BUT MORE SO FOR THE CITY, GOD, THAT IT WOULD BE A CITY THAT THRIVES LORD TO SEE REBRANDING, TO SEE THAT, UH, WE WANT TO BE KNOWN, UH, THROUGHOUT, UH, THE COMMUNITIES IN THIS AREA, THAT WE ARE A SAFE PLACE, A GOOD PLACE TO GO, UH, A WORTHWHILE PLACE FOR THEIR FAMILIES TO VISIT.
LORD, I PRAY THAT THAT'S KNOWN GOD, THAT YOU WOULD CAUSE THIS CITY TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE.
LORD, I PRAY FOR A PEACE AND DISCERNMENT OVER THIS COUNCIL.
UH, LORD, THE LEADERSHIP IS NEVER EASY.
IT'S, IT'S FILLED WITH TOUGH DECISIONS.
AND SO, LORD, WOULD YOU LEAD THEM AND GUIDE THEM, LORD? WOULD YOU PROTECT THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS GOD, WHEN, UH, THOSE WHO MISJUDGED THEIR INTENTIONS, UM, GOD OR, UH, ASSUME SELFISHNESS ON THEM, GOD, WOULD THEY, UH, WOULD THEY BE PROTECTED NOW? LORD, WOULD YOU LEAD THEM IN THE DECISIONS THAT ARE AHEAD OF THEM THIS EVENING? OR WOULD YOU INSTILL THEM WITH HOPE AND CONFIDENCE IN WHAT LIES? LIES AHEAD? AND, UH, LORD, ALLOW THEM THE JOY IN EVERY DECISION THAT'S MADE.
AND, UH, LORD, OF COURSE, WE'D BE REMISS NOT TO THANK YOU FOR GREG PORTER, FOR A MAN WHO, UM, GOD JUST LAST WEEK ON AND ON, UH, THE PRAISE OF JUST A MAN WHO IS A SERVANT WHO CARES ABOUT THOSE AROUND HIM, UH, WHO IS A MENTOR TO MANY.
AND LORD, WE THANK YOU, UH, FOR HOW HE HAS LED AND ENCOURAGED THIS CITY AND GOD FOR HOW, UH, GOD, HE, HE CARES SO MUCH ABOUT EVERY CITIZEN AND EVERY ENTITY.
UM, AND SO, LORD, WE PRAY BLESSINGS OVER HE AND HIS FAMILY AS THEY BEGIN THIS NEW JOURNEY, UH, TOGETHER IN HIS RETIREMENT.
AND LORD, WE PRAY, UM, GOD FOR HIS DEPARTMENT AS THEY, UH, MOVE AND, AND, UH, CONTINUE FORWARD, UH, WITHOUT HIM IN THAT HELM.
BUT GOD, WE, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU'VE PUT IN PLACE TO FOLLOW THROUGH.
GOD, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE CITY.
AND PRAY THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BRING BLESSINGS UPON.
RE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE ABOVE WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH A
WE ARE STILL HONORING MR. GREG PORTER.
[a. Present a Proclamation honoring retiring City Manager Greg Porter.]
ITEM ON THE AGENDA OF PRESENTATION.PRESENT A PROCLAMATION HONORING RETIRING CITY MANAGER GREG PORTER.
UH, MR. GREG PORTER, CAN YOU JUST MEET ME DOWN FRONT PLEASE? CAN THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEET ME DOWN FRONT AS WELL?
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AM I LIVE HERE? WHERE'S MY, UH, CITY MANAGER? DON'T BE HIDING IN THE BACK.I, UM, DON'T WANNA MISS OUT ON THIS OPPORTUNITY.
SO I ASKED THE COUNCIL TO COME AND JOIN ME UP FRONT.
UM, WE HAD A, A GREAT EVENING ON FRIDAY.
UM, I REALLY LIKED HOW STAFF REALLY LAID IT OUT FOR US.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE.
UH, IT'S A GOOD EVENT AND IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, A WORTHY EVENT AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PROCLAMATIONS YOU HAD FOR THE MAYOR, BUT, UH, I COULDN'T LET YOU LEAVE WITHOUT ME DOING MY OWN.
AND, UH, WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING.
I COULD HAVE JUST DONE IT WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
OF COURSE, I WOULD'VE OVERSHADOWED THE COUNCILWOMAN SURE.
THE CONGRESSWOMAN AND, AND THE STATE SENATOR.
BUT YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANNA DO THAT.
SO I'M MAKING THIS ONE JUST ABOUT YOU ALONG WITH MY CITY COUNCIL HERE.
GREG PORTER IS RETIRING AS A CITY MANAGER OF CEDAR HILL ON JULY 31ST, 2024, FOLLOWING MORE THAN THREE DECADES OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
GREG BEGAN HIS CAREER WITH THE CITY OF CEDAR HILL AS A PART-TIME ADMINISTRATOR IN 87, AND HAS HELD AN ARRAY OF POSITIONS, INCLUDING ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, HUMAN DIRECTOR, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND CITY MANAGER.
AND DURING THIS TIME IN CITY MANAGEMENT, GREG HAS OVERSEEN THE COMPLETION OF MAJOR PROJECTS, INCLUDING CEDAR HILL GOVERNMENT CENTER, ALLEN E SIMS, RECREATION CENTER, VALLEY RIDGE PARK, AS WELL AS MILESTONES.
EACH HAS CREATION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, DOGWOOD CANYON AUTO, PRINCE CENTER STATE, CEDAR HILL STATE PARK, AND HILLSIDE VILLAGE.
GREG CALLS THE BACHELOR'S DEGREES IN POLITICAL SCIENCE FROM TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY,
HE IS AN ICMA CREDENTIAL MANAGER AND A 2020, I'M SORRY, A 2012 GRADUATE OF ICMA SENIOR EXECUTIVE INSTITUTE AT THE WELDON SCHOOL PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA.
HE SERVES OR HAS SERVED ON NUMEROUS BOARDS OF COMMUNITIES AND PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING DOUG KENNAN, BRIDGET, SAFE HOUSE TRANSFORMATION VISION, CITY OF CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
MOST RECENTLY, GREG RECEIVED THE ICMA AWARD FOR CAREER DEVELOPMENT IN MEMORY OF LP COOKHAM FOR THE LEADERSHIP AND CONTRIBUTION TO THE CAREER DEVELOPMENT OF NEW TALENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT.
AND GREG AND HIS WIFE, 36 YEARS.
PAM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PAM IS THIS EVENING? I DO.
ANDREW JOSHUA, I'M NOT CALLING YOU DOWN.
UH, AMANDA AND GRANDSON KANE HAVE MADE PUBLIC SERVICE AND A FAMILY PROFESSION.
THEY HAVE DEDICATED THEMSELVES TO THIS COMMUNITY WITH, UH, HEART OF SERVICE.
WHEREAS GREG VISION DEDICATED, THE LEADERSHIP HAS MADE CEDAR HILL A BETTER PLACE FOR HIS CITIZENS.
AND DURING HIS RETIREMENT, HE CAN REFLECT ON ALL OF HIS MANY CONTRIBUTION WITH PRIDE.
I, STEVE MASON, MAYOR OF CITY OF CEDAR HILL, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE THE RETIREMENT OF GREG PORTER FOR HIS SERVICE, LEADERSHIP, COMMITMENT AND GUIDANCE IN CREATING A PREMIER CITY THAT RETAINS ITS DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER WHERE FAMILY BUSINESSES FLOURISH IN A SAFE, CLEAN ENVIRONMENT.
HIS VISION AND LEGACY ARE TO BE COMMENDED.
I HAVE HERE SET MY HAND AND CAUSE A SALE ON CITY OF TEXAS TO BE AFFIXED ON THE 23RD DAY OF JULY, 2024.
SIGNED BY THE MAYOR STEVE MESA.
YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING, UH,
UH, MY FAMILY AND I HAVE BEEN BLESSED BEYOND MEASURE TO HAVE FOUND IT WHEN WE WERE IN OUR VERY EARLY YEARS.
WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE RAISED OUR, ALL FOUR OF OUR CHILDREN HERE.
UH, OUR GRANDCHILD'S A BIG FAN.
UH, WE'VE COLLECTED SOME ADDITIONAL GRANDCHILDREN ALONG THE WAY.
UM, AND IT'S JUST BEEN A, A VERY BLESSED PLACE.
UH, THIS IS ALSO A BLESSED POSITION.
IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS.
AND TO BE ABLE TO DO SO, UH, FOR SO LONG AND NOT GET RUN OFF IS, UH, A MINOR MIRACLE IN AND OF ITSELF.
BUT IT'S A TESTAMENT THAT THIS IS A PLACE LIKE NO ONE ELSE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS DIFFERENT, IT'S BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT AND THEY TREAT EACH OTHER DIFFERENT.
AND SO, UH, JUST WITH THAT, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW BLESSED AND PRIVILEGED AND GRATEFUL AND FULL OF GRATITUDE AND LOVE THAT WE ARE.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE.UH, WE ARE IN GOOD HANDS AND MY EXCITEMENT FOR THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS PLACE IS, UH, ACTUALLY TWICE, UH, AT WHAT IT WAS WHEN I CAME HERE AS A STARRY IED KID IN, IN MY EARLY TWENTIES.
AND, UH, WE WILL BE IN VERY GOOD HANDS.
SO THANK YOU ALL AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT'S BEEN AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE SERVING WITH YOU.
SO, MR. CITY MANAGER, IF I CAN GET A, A PHOTO WITH YOU, PLEASE, SIR.
ALONG WITH THE COUNCIL, UM, IT IS NOT OVER YET.
WE DO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, AND AFTER THAT I'LL ALLOW COUNSEL TO EVER SAY A FEW WORDS.
ALL RIGHT, MADAM SECRETARY, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT IF YOU LIKE.
WISHING YOU A RETIREMENT FILLED WITH PARKS, BREATH AND RELAXATION.
RETIRE WITH A BLAZE OF HAPPINESS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME BACK HOME.
HAPPY, HAPPY RETIREMENT PORTER.
IT WAS A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
ENJOY THE NEXT CHAPTER, RETIREMENT.
WE HAVE LOVED WORKING WITH YOU.
ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT, FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
CONGRATULATIONS ON ON YOUR RETIREMENT.
CONGRATULATIONS ON 37 YEARS AT CEDAR HILL.
NUMBER ONE, STAY OUT OF TROUBLE IN RETIREMENT.
I STILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, MR. PORTER, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS TIME I'VE ALWAYS CALLED HIM MR. PORTER JUST 'CAUSE I KNEW HE DESERVED THAT.
BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL THE OTHER DAY THAT I REALIZED WHERE YOU CAME UP WITH EVERYBODY STARTED CALLING YOU PORTER.
'CAUSE YOU HAD TWO GREGS THERE, YOU KNOW.
BUT, UH, I THINK IN THE EARLY DAYS WHEN I FIRST MET YOU AND, AND, UH, MY WIFE AND I HAD THE, THE, UH, PRIVILEGE OF WORKING AND DOING THE WATER AEROBICS CLASS FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, THE CITY.
BUT DARLA TOLD ME WHEN SHE FIRST MET YOU, THAT SHE JUST RESPECTED YOU TO NO END AND, AND JUST HAD, UH, ALL KINDS OF GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT YOU WHEN I TOLD HER THE OTHER DAY THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE RETIRING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, YOU'VE NEVER CEASED TO AMAZE ME OF WHAT ALL YOU'VE DONE, HOW YOU'VE PROGRESSED, HOW YOU'VE GOTTA HANDLE ON EVERYTHING OUT THERE.
AND YOU'RE ALWAYS ON YOUR PHONE.
SO I KNOW PAM IS GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.
BUT PORTER, I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT YOU, UH, AND FROM YOU, YOU KNOW, TO DOING THE JOB AS THE CITY COUNCIL AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS CITY, UH, WE ARE TRULY BLESSED.
YOU'RE REALLY GONNA BE MISSED.
YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S GONNA MISS YOU.
UH, GOOD THING IS YOU'RE STILL STAYING IN THE CITY, SO WE CAN ALL COME AND, AND BUG YOU AND TALK TO YOU.
BUT THANK YOU MR. PORTER, FOR ALL YOUR TIME.
I REALLY WISH YOU, UH, HAPPINESS AND YOUR NEW IN, NEW YOU NEW ENDEAVORS IN RETIREMENT AND YOU DESERVE IT, MY FRIEND.
AND THEN I CAN STOP CALLING YOU MR. AND I CAN CALL YOU PORTER.
WHEN I FIRST MET YOU, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE THE CITY MANAGER.
IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO FIND OUT THAT YOU WERE THE CITY MANAGER.
PEOPLE WOULD SAY GREG POOR THE CITY MANAGER.
BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS YOU BECAUSE EVERY TIME I SAW YOU, YOU WERE DOING SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T THINK WAS A CITY MANAGER
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ROLE.BUT NOW I SEE THAT THAT IS A CITY MANAGER ROLE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THE CITY.
AND WHAT WE'RE WITNESSING NOW IS SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO SEE MUCH OF GOING FORWARD.
SOMEONE WHO WAS COMMITTED NOT ONLY TO THE JOB, BUT TO THEIR FAMILY AND TO THE COMMUNITY, TO SPEND 37 YEARS WHEN WE ALL KNOW YOU COULD HAVE GONE TO IBM MOBILE OIL AND HAD AN EQUALLY AMAZING CAREER, BUT YOU CHOSE TO STAY HERE.
AND THAT'S MORE OF A TESTAMENT TO WHO YOU ARE AND YOUR VALUES.
AND WE'RE BETTER OFF BECAUSE OF THAT.
UH, I'VE LEARNED THE PATIENCE THAT YOU, THAT YOU EXHIBIT, EVEN THOUGH I'M STANDING BEHIND YOU AND I'M SAYING PORTER, SAY THIS, SAY THAT.
SO THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT.
I'VE LEARNED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN FRONT OF ME, IN FRONT OF ME FROM MANY DIFFERENT ANGLES.
AND ONE THING I REALLY LOVE ABOUT YOU IS THAT YOU ALWAYS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE CITIZEN, THE RESIDENT.
WHAT, HOW DOES THIS IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY? HOW DOES IT IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS? SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT, MY FAMILY, WE WANNA, WE, WE THANK YOU ALSO.
I'M SURE WE'LL SEE YOU AROUND.
AND WE LOVE YOU AND WE WISH NOTHING BUT THE BEST FOR YOU AND PAM AND THE ENTIRE FAMILY.
UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY MR. PORTER, I, I THINK I CAN SAY MR. THIS TIME, RIGHT? GET THE PASS.
BUT I MEAN, YOU HAVE BEEN A TRUE EXAMPLE OF WHAT SERVANT LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE IN THE FLESH MOVING AROUND THE CITY.
UM, SO I, I NOTICED THINGS AND ALWAYS NOTICED ABOUT YOU WERE THAT LIKE THEY SAID, YOU WERE THE FIRST PERSON TO GET THERE, THE LAST PERSON TO LEAVE.
UM, AND THAT TELLS A LOT ABOUT YOU AS A PERSON THAT TELLS, IT'S A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE CAN SAY HOW MUCH THEY CARE ABOUT A CITY, HOW MUCH THEY CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE, BUT THE ACTION HAS TO BE PUT TO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORD IS VALID.
AND, UM, AS A LEADER THAT I'VE SEEN IT, IT REALLY INSPIRED ME, UM, TO ACTUALLY WANT TO DO MORE AND, AND BE MORE INVOLVED WITH THE CITY TO HELP SEE IF I CAN HELP MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, I MEAN, YOU HAVE INSPIRED SO MANY PEOPLE AROUND HERE IN THE CITY.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE PROBABLY SEEN YOU AND JUST LOOKED AT YOU AND BE LIKE, WOW, I WISH I COULD BE LIKE MR. PORTER.
BUT, UM, YOU'RE DEFINITELY GONNA BE MISSED.
YOU HAVE DEFINITELY LEFT A LEGACY AND A FOOTPRINT.
UH, BUT I'M SURE LIKE EVERYONE IS SAYING, YOU'RE GONNA BE PROBABLY POPPING UP OUT OF A CLOSET SOMEWHERE OR SOME LIKE A JANITOR'S CLOSET OR SOMETHING AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA SEE YOU FROM TIME TO TIME.
DEFINITELY ENJOY THE FAMILY, UH, AND THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE, UH, WORKED.
AND, UM, RECONNECTION WITH THE FAMILY.
UM, OH, OH, YOU GONNA SAY, OH, Y'ALL GOTTA PUSH THE BUTTON.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCURDY, YOU GET THE LAST, OKAY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I SHOULD CALL YOU MR. PORTER OR JUST CALL YOU GREG
I, I KNEW YOU AS GREG LONG BEFORE I KNEW YOU AS PORTER OR MR. PORTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR KIDS WERE LITTLE AND IN SCHOOL TOGETHER AND, AND I, YOU WERE JUST ANOTHER DAD, UM, HELPING OPEN CAR DOORS AND, AND, UH, GOING TO BREAKFAST TOGETHER WITH OUR, WITH OUR CHILDREN AT THE SCHOOL.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I I THINK I, I GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW YOU IN A WAY THAT, THAT A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE PROBABLY DIDN'T.
UM, AND I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT YOU.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS AT THE, AT THE TIME AND, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, AS I KINDA WORKED THROUGH MY CYCLE OF, OF, OF, YOU KNOW, LIFE CYCLE OF EXPERIENCES HERE WITH WORKING WITH THE LAKERIDGE POA AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, JOINING PLANNING AND ZONING AND BEING ON COUNCIL.
NOW, I, YOU KNOW, I LEARNED MORE ABOUT YOU THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND, AND SO I, I KIND OF GOT AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT IT WAS THAT THAT DREW ME TO YOU THAT, THAT, THAT MADE YOU UNIQUE AND SPECIAL.
AND THAT WAS, THAT YOU'RE KIND OF A, YOU'RE A THROWBACK IN, IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING, MY GRANDFATHER
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TOLD ME, YOU DON'T DO ASK ANYBODY TO DO A JOB THAT YOU EITHER HAVEN'T DONE YOURSELF OR YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO.AND I THINK YOU HAVE PROBABLY DONE JUST ABOUT EVERY JOB IN, IN THE CITY, OR BEEN WILLING TO AT LEAST WILLING TO ATTEMPT IT
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL BECAUSE IT, IT, IT GIVES YOU A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE ON, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING WITH YOU AND WORKING FOR YOU AND THE STRUGGLES THAT THEY GO THROUGH ON A DAILY BASIS.
UM, I WISH WE COULD CLONE YOU.
UM, I KNOW MELISSA'S GONNA HAVE SOME BIG SHOES TO FILL, UM, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, TO HAVING YOU BACK AS GREG, JUST GREG, MY FRIEND AGAIN.
MELISSA SAYS SHE DON'T WEAR SHOES, SHE WEAR HEELS.
UM, SO, UH, JUST, THIS IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE I'VE HAD A UNIQUE POSITION OF HAVING WORKED WITH THIS GUY FOR A LOT OF YEARS.
AND, UM, WHEN YOU WORK SIDE BY SIDE WITH SOMEBODY, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
UM, AND I CAN REMEMBER ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE DOING THINGS THAT WERE TRANSFORMING THE CITY IN ITS VERY INFANCY.
UH, YOU CAME IN MY OFFICE AND BROUGHT ME A COMBAT HELMET AND, AND, AND THAT WAS SYMBOLIC OF, OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH OVER THE YEARS OF BEING IN THE TRENCHES TOGETHER IN BATTLES.
AND ONLY SOMEONE WHO IS SET IN THAT SEAT KNOWS THE PRESSURE THAT YOU'RE UNDER, BUT YOU'VE HANDLED IT.
I CAN TELL YOU PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT GREG DID NOT WANNA BE CITY MANAGER.
UH, BUT I TOLD HIM A LONG TIME AGO THAT HE WAS GONNA DO A GREAT JOB.
AND, UH, YOU MAKE ME OUT TO BE A PROPHET.
'CAUSE YOU'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
AND, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE, UM, BEING IN THE TRENCHES WITH YOU FOR A LOT OF YEARS AND WHAT, HOW YOU'VE LED THE CITY.
UM, AND I JUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOU.
UH, AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IS THE LUXURY OF HAVING IMPARTED BOTH OF US UNTIL YOU'RE A SUCCESSOR, OUR SUCCESSOR.
SO, WELL, I DO THINK THE CITY'S IN GOOD HANDS.
AND SO, UM, THANK YOU, GREG, FOR ALL THE YEARS, UH, OF BEING BY MY SIDE, WORKING TOGETHER.
I MIGHT HAVE BEEN HIS BOSS, BUT IT WAS MORE, WE WORKED SIDE BY SIDE, UH, AND DID THINGS AS, AS A TEAM.
AND, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU.
WELL, CITY MANAGER, UM, I DON'T, I CAN TAKE UP ALL NIGHT TO SAY HOW IMPRESSED I AM, UH, WITH WHAT YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
UM, JUST THE BRAINSTORMING SESSIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD AS MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER.
UM, IT HAS TRULY BEEN AMAZING.
I JUST HOPE THAT YOU KNOW THAT MY HEART, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL, UH, ABOUT YOU AND YOUR SERVICE TOWARDS OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, JUST KNOW AS YOU RETIRE.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE SEVEN DAYS LEFT, SO DON'T BE SLACKING STILL.
UH, JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA LOVE THE BABY.
[5. Citizens Forum/Public Comments. Citizens wishing to speak during this time should submit a Speaker Request Form to the City Secretary before the meeting begins. Public comments may also be submitted online at: cedarhilltx.com/publiccomment. All public comments submitted online by 3pm on City Council meeting dates will be distributed to the City Council and entered into record. ]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE WE GET THE TISSUES OUT, UM, IS, UH, CITIZENS FORUM.THIS GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO COME UP TO COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.
ITEMS THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, OF COURSE, WE CANNOT DELIBERATE AND DISCUSS.
UM, AND, UH, COUNSEL, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ONLINE, UM, COMMENTS, BUT WE DO HAVE A CITIZENS WHO IS GONNA COME IN PERSON TO SPEAK WITH US.
MISS, UM, DO DAFNA, CURTIS, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? DAFNA? OKAY.
COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? SURE.
I LIVE AT 2014 JUNIPER RIDGE ROAD.
OH, SORRY, I PULLED THE MICROPHONE.
I LIVE AT 2014 JUNIPER RIDGE ROAD HERE IN CEDAR HILL.
AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I'M GLAD TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO I RECEIVED SOMETHING IN THE NEWSLETTER ABOUT THE LIBRARY OPENING, AND I'M, UM, MY MOTHER WAS A LIBRARIAN, SO I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND MY DAUGHTER IS AN ADVENT READER AND I'VE TAKEN HER TO THE LIBRARY SINCE SHE
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WAS TWO YEARS OLD.SO I WENT TO VISIT THE LIBRARY, I GUESS ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.
AND I WAS SO IMPRESSED AND I SAID, I MUST COME AND TELL THE CITY COUNCIL AND WHOMEVER IS OVER IT, HOW IMPRESSED I AM WITH THE, WITH THE LIBRARY.
THE ENTIRE SETUP IN THE MUSEUM IS WONDERFUL.
I DON'T KNOW WHOSE IDEA THAT WAS, BUT IT'S GREAT.
AND THEN LAST WEEK I DECIDED TO GO IN.
I NEEDED TO WORK ON A COMPUTER AND IT WAS SOMETHING WITH MY COMPUTER AT HOME.
SO I WENT BY TO WORK ON THE COMPUTER.
NOW I LIKE TO ALWAYS START SOMETHING WITH THE POSITIVE, AND THE LIBRARY IS GREAT, BUT AS I SAT THERE, UH, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE SITTING NEXT TO ME AND I NOTICED SOMETHING, THERE WERE CHILDREN RUNNING AROUND THE LIBRARY.
AND SO I SAID, OKAY, MAYBE THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN.
AND I STAYED THERE MAYBE 30 MINUTES, AND THE WHOLE TIME I WAS THERE, CHILDREN WERE RUNNING AND, AND SCREAMING.
AND SO FINALLY ONE OF THE, UH, LADIES THAT WORK AT THE LIBRARY CAME BY AND I SAID, UM, IS THIS LIBRARY ALWAYS THIS NOISY? AND SHE SAYS, UH, MA'AM, THIS IS NOT A QUIET LIBRARY.
AND SO I LOOKED AT HER, I SAID, THAT'S KIND OF AN OXYMORON, ISN'T IT? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS SUCH THING AS NOT HAVING A QUIET LIBRARY.
AND I SAID, WELL, IT'S VERY NOISY FOR PEOPLE THAT THAT COME IN HERE THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON THE COMPUTER OR READING OR WHATEVER.
I SAID, AND, AND I MEAN, IT WAS JUST KIDS EVERYWHERE.
AND I NOTICED THEIR PARENTS WERE WITH THEM.
I SAID, SO NO ONE TELLS THE CHILDREN, NO ONE TELLS THEIR PARENTS TO BE QUIET WHILE THEY'RE IN HERE.
AND I SAID, I MUST COME AND TELL YOU THIS.
SHE SAYS, MA'AM, IF YOU WANT A QUIET LIBRARY, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU.
AND I LOOKED AT HER, AND I'M NOT KIDDING, ALL OF MY OLD FASHIONED ALMOST CAME OUT AND I SAID, SWEETHEART,
AND I SAID, IN THE FIRST PLACE, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A LIBRARY THAT'S NOT QUIET.
AND SO IT WAS A MAN SITTING A COUPLE OF SEATS OVER FROM ME.
HE SAID, THIS IS LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME.
AND I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HE SAID, IT'S ALWAYS NOISY LIKE THIS.
AND I SAID, IS IT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S NOT A QUIET LIBRARY? AND HE SAYS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
HE SAID, BUT IT'S ALWAYS NOISY LIKE THIS.
TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THE LIBRARY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PROUD OF.
I SAID, IF IT'S NOT A LIBRARY, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE MARKETED AS A PLAYGROUND, NOT A, AND, AND SO THE GIRL SAID TO ME, I'M SORRY, THE YOUNG LADY SAID, SHE SAID, WELL MA'AM, MAYBE YOU WANT TO GO UPSTAIRS.
AND SO THE MAN, HE SAYS, NO, GOING UPSTAIRS WON'T HELP.
HE SAID, IT'S, IT'S NOISY UP THERE AS WELL.
AND SO I SAID TO HIM, I'M GONNA GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND TELL THEM BECAUSE TOO MUCH MONEY, TOO MUCH TIME, TOO MUCH EFFORT HAS BEEN SPENT ON THAT SPENT ON LIBRARY, BUT BUT NOT TO SERVICE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE SURE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.
ALRIGHT COUNSEL, THAT CONCLUDES OUR SESSION FOR THE CITIZENS FORM.
[a. Case No. Z-644-2024 - Conduct a public hearing and consider adoption of Ordinance No. 2024-811 amending the Thoroughfare Plan and the Supporting Infrastructure section of the 2022 Comprehensive Plan – Cedar Hill Next: Preserving the Past, Cultivating the Future.]
THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING.UM, CASE NUMBER Z 6 44 DASH 2024, CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH EIGHT 11, AMENDING THE THOROUGH FAIR PLAN AND SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE SECTION OF THE 20 2022 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CEDAR HILL NEXT, PRESERVING THE PAST, CULTIVATING THE FUTURE COUNSEL AT THIS TIME.
UH, ARE THERE ANY PRESENTATIONS BEFORE I BEGIN? UH OH, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING COUNCIL AND I HELPED OUT ON THE THOROUGH FAIR PLAN EVALUATION AND UPDATES.
UM, THIS IS THE MAP THAT WE UPDATED FOR THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UH, SO THIS WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2022 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THE UPDATED MAP INCLUDES THE SAME ULTIMATE CROSS SECTIONS THAT WERE ADOPTED IN THE PREVIOUS COMP PLAN.
WHAT WE DID ADD WERE GREENWAY CORRIDORS, SO WE'RE CONNECTING THE TRAIL SYSTEM WITH THE ROADWAY NETWORK, TRYING TO PLAN FOR TRAILS OR SIDE PATHS.
AND THEN ALSO YOU'LL SEE A BIT OF A CYAN BUFFER AROUND SOME OF THE LINE WORK HERE.
AND THAT'S ANY OF THE UPDATES THAT WERE MADE IN THE THOROUGH FOR PLAN UPDATE THAT WE EVALUATED.
AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE TODAY.
SO FOR THE UPGRADES, THIS IS A CROSS SECTION THAT MAYBE IT WAS A MAJOR COLLECTOR IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION.
NOW WE'RE UPGRADING TO A MINOR ARTERIAL.
WE HAVE CEDAR HILL ROAD FROM 67 TO MOUNT LEBANON UPTOWN BOULEVARD FROM FM 1382 TO BELT LINE.
AND THEN ON THE ADDITION SIDE, THESE ARE ALL MINOR COLLECTORS THAT WE ADDED.
PLANNING FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND ONGOING DEVELOPMENTS.
A MINOR COLLECTOR BETWEEN CEDAR CEDAR HILL ROAD AND CLARK SOUTH OF LOOP NINE.
AND THEN STONE MEADOW DRIVE FROM LITTLE CREEK TO STONE CANYON PARKWAY.
BOULDER DRIVE FROM STONE CANYON PARKWAY TO LOOP NINE.
THOSE ARE THE SOUTHEASTERN MOST AREAS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ONGOING DEVELOPMENT.
A MINOR COLLECTOR BETWEEN PARKVILLE AND LITTLE CREEK ROAD,
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WEST MIDTOWN AREA MINOR COLLECTORS.WE ADDED NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST WEST MINOR COLLECTORS FOR THAT WEST MIDTOWN AREA FOR FUTURE ACCESS CONSIDERATIONS.
TEXAS PLUMED, A LAKERIDGE MINOR COLLECTOR.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT SOME ALIGNMENT ALTERNATIVES AS WELL.
UM, IN THE PREVIOUS COMP PLAN, LOOP NINE HAD NOT BEEN SET YET BY TXDOT SINCE THEN.
THEY ADOPTED, I BELIEVE IT WAS CALLED THE ALTERNATIVE THREE.
UM, SO WE ACCOMMODATED FOR CEDAR HILLS CROSS SECTION THERE WHERE THE ULTIMATE INTERCHANGE IS PLANNED AND REALIGNED FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE ROAD, A AREA, UM, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS CONNECTING BELTLINE TO, I BELIEVE IT WAS TIDWELL IN HOUSTON.
UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO FOLLOW PARCEL LINES A LITTLE BIT BETTER, CROSS THE RAILROAD AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE, MAINTAIN AS MUCH DEVELOPABLE LAND AS POSSIBLE IN THAT AREA.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE? ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? PROCEED.
DOWNGRADES THIS LIST IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UM, PRIMARILY RIGHT AWAY CONSTRAINTS.
AND THEN ALSO WE DID SOME TRAFFIC DEMAND MODELING, WHICH WE'RE GONNA GET INTO ON LATER SLIDES.
UH, BUT CEDAR HILL ROAD FROM BELTLINE TO THE NORTH CITY LIMITS, YOU HAVE THE RAILROAD CROSSING ON THE WEST SIDE, OR SORRY, THE RAILROADS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT ROADWAY.
UH, SO LIMITED CROSS SECTION THERE.
UH, JOE WILSON ROAD FROM 67 TO THE NORTHERN CITY LIMITS, THERE'S OVERHEAD ELECTRIC ON THE EAST SIDE, SO WE DOWNGRADED THAT COOPER STREET FROM HOUSTON TO 67 LITTLE CREEK ROAD FROM CLARK TO STONE, MEADOW BEAR CREEK FROM JOE WILSON TO DUNCANVILLE ROAD.
PIONEER TRAIL FROM CEDAR HILL TO UPTOWN BOULEVARD.
MOUNT LEBANON ROAD FROM SOUTH OF TEXAS, PLUME DRIVE.
AND THEN AMERICAN WAY EAST OF 67 CEDARVILLE DRIVE TO WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND THEN WE'LL TOUCH ON CLARK DUNCANVILLE AND COCKRELL HILL IN OUR LOOP NINE MODELING WINTERGREEN FROM JOE WILSON TO 67.
AND THEN FINALLY WE DID HAVE ONE REMOVAL LITTLE CREEK ROAD FROM STONE METAL TO COCKRELL HILL THAT'S MAJORITY OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THAT.
SO WE WENT AHEAD AND REMOVED THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT LIST? NO SIR.
SO OUR LOOP NINE FOCUS WAS AGAIN, THE FOCUS OF THIS MA MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN EVALUATION.
UH, WE LOOKED AT CEDAR HILL CLARK, JOE WILSON, DUNCANVILLE, AND COCKRELL HILL CROSS SECTIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO SERVE THE FUTURE TRAFFIC DEMAND.
WE UTILIZE CAPACITIES FROM YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DETERMINE THAT ADEQUATE CAPACITY.
WE PROVIDED NCT COG WITH UPDATED LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS THROUGH BUILD OUT BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INFORMATION, ALONG WITH GETTING WITH CITY STAFF KNOWN PLAN DEVELOPMENTS AND INCORPORATED THOSE UPDATES AND DEMOGRAPHICS.
WE ALSO UPDATED THEIR NETWORK.
THEY RERAN THEIR TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL.
THEY PROVIDED US WITH DAILY VOLUME PROJECTIONS.
SO HERE ARE THE VOLUME PROJECTIONS FROM THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL RUNS.
CEDAR HILL HAD A RANGE OF 31,000 TO 40,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.
CLARK WAS 11,000 TO ABOUT 15,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.
JOE WILSON WAS 34 TO 42, VEHICLE 42,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.
AND THEN DUNCANVILLE AND COCKRELL HILL HAD A LITTLE BIT LESS DEMAND ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAN THE NORTH.
SO THE RANGES ARE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
UH, DUNCANVILLE 4,000 TO 24,000 VEHICLES PER DAY AND COCKRELL HILL, 7,500 TO 28,000 VEHICLES PER DAY.
THESE WOULD BE THE ADEQUATE SECTIONS NEEDED TO SERVE THAT DEMAND.
SO WE MAINTAINED THE SIX LANE DIVIDED OR PRIMARY ARTERIAL CROSS SECTIONS FOR CEDAR HILL AND JOE WILSON CLARK.
WE ULTIMATELY WENT WITH A FOUR LANE UNDIVIDED OR MAJOR COLLECTOR SECTION THERE.
AND THEN DUNCANVILLE AND COCKRELL HILL, WE UTILIZED FOUR LANE DIVIDED CAPACITIES IN ORDER TO SERVE THAT TRAFFIC DEMAND.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO FACILITATE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE ACTUAL COMP PLAN ONCE IT GETS ADOPTED OR, OR YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
UH, YOU WON'T HAVE ANY OF THE UPDATED LINE WORK HERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE DID INCORPORATE THOSE GREENWAYS AND THEN ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, YEAH, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN IF COUNSEL HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL BRING YOU.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER Z 6 44 2024? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION? COME ON UP.
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT 1112 PROSPERITY IN THE LAKERIDGE COMMUNITY.
WHAT WE WOULD PREFER, AND I SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU, WELL, ACTUALLY THROUGH BELINDA, UH, TO REQUEST THAT WE GET ADDED TO THE GUT DOWNGRADE LIST.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT, AND I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT, NOW, I'M SPEAKING HERE AS, AS A CITIZEN, WE DON'T WANT LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY TO BE A TH THROUGH THROUGHWAY WHERE PEOPLE CONTINUE ON LOOP NINE PAST 67 AND
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GO RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OFF OF THOSE STREETS, VERY MINOR STREETS THAT COME OFF OF LAKERIDGE PARKWAY.
LAKERIDGE PARKWAY HAS EVOLVED FROM A ONE LANE ROAD, YOU KNOW, ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION TO TWO, YOU KNOW, SO NOW IT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR CAPACITY.
THEIR STUDIES HAVE SHOWN YOU DON'T NEED THE SIX LANES.
IF YOU PUT IN THE ADDITIONAL LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, YOU ARE WIPING OUT A TREMENDOUS GREENWAY INVESTMENT.
WE'VE INVESTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PUTTING IN BEAUTIFUL PLANTS AND WILD UH, PLANTS AND TREES, AND IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL GOING UP LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY.
YOU RIP ALL THAT UP AND PUT IN TWO MORE LANES TO DO WHAT? TO HAVE PEOPLE DRIVE RIGHT THROUGH CEDAR HILL.
THEY'LL GO JUST CONTINUE RIGHT THROUGH FROM LOOP NINE THROUGH THE LAKE RIDGE COMMUNITY.
WHAT WE'D MUCH PREFER IS THEY TURN RIGHT OR TURN LEFT, DON'T GO STRAIGHT.
SO ANYTHING THE COUNCIL CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TURN LEFT OR RIGHT, PUT UP SIGNAL LIGHTS, PUT UP STOPLIGHTS, PUT UP SPEED BUMPS, WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN ON LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED BY PEOPLE LIKE NANCY DURANT, WHO WALKS HER DOG RIGHT DOWN LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY EVERY DAY.
AND SHE CAN TELL YOU HOW FAST THE CARS GO.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU HELP SUPPORT US IN KEEPING THE TRAFFIC SPEEDS DOWN ON LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY.
THANKS FOR SENDING THAT AND THANKS FOR COMING IN PERSON.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER Z 6 44 DASH 2024? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION? WANNA TOUCH ON THE EVALUATION THERE? NO SIR.
WE IN PUBLIC HEARING, UH, UNLESS YOU WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OUR OPPOSITION.
ANYONE ELSE LISTENING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OUR OPPOSITION? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
ALRIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
COUNSEL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR ANY DIALOGUE? COUNCILOR MCCURDY? YES, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT, UM, UH, PATRICK DALE IS TALKING ABOUT ON, ON LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S FOUR LANES.
I I CAN REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS TWO VERY BAD LANES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ASPHALT AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND LARGELY FALLING APART COMING THROUGH THERE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK AT, UH, WE LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC TODAY, I LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES ACROSS LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY FROM, FROM THE GRAND PRAIRIE SIDE AND THEN, AND EVEN 1382 IS, IS FOUR LANES.
AND I, I MEAN THERE MAYBE THERE WILL COME A DAY WHEN, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION.
THIS IS JUST KIND OF MY, MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS.
I KNOW THERE WILL COME A DAY WHEN, OR MAY COME A DAY WHEN WE MAY NEED SIX LANES OVER THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND A VOTE ABOUT IT AT THAT TIME, UM, IF IT'S EVER NEEDED, BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY PUTTING BELT LINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF, OF, OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A A SIX LANE HIGHWAY THROUGH THERE AND, AND WE'RE ALREADY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SLOW CARS DOWN COMING THROUGH LAKE RIDGE.
UH, I, I THINK WHEN, UH, THE REASON WE HAVE THE STOP SIGNS AT PRAIRIE VIEW AND LAKE RIDGE NOW IS BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD THE, THE TRAFFIC DEVICE POSTED ON LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY, THERE WERE CARS CLOCKED AT 70 MILES AN HOUR COMING DOWN LAKE RIDGE FROM, FROM THE HIGHWAY.
SO I ALWAYS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, UH, AMEND THE, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO DOWNGRADE LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY AND, AND KEEP IT, UM, WAS IT MINOR ARTERIAL RATHER THAN, THAN, UH, HAVE IT BECOME A PRINCIPLE OR ARTERIAL AND AT SOME LAKE RIDGE AND PRAIRIE VIEW.
AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IF, IF THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED, I STILL THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY, IT MIGHT POSSIBLY BE OUTSIDE MY LIFETIME THAT THAT, THAT THAT WOULD EVEN HAPPEN, UH, THAT WE CONSIDER THAT AT, AT THAT TIME RATHER THAN JUST US DESIGNATING IT NOW.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THE, UH, RESIDENTS OF LAKERIDGE LOOK UP AND THERE'S CONSTRUCTION STARTING ON LAKERIDGE PARKWAY AND NO, AND NOBODY KNEW WHAT WAS COMING BECAUSE IF IT EVER DOES HAPPEN, IT'LL BE LONG AFTER THIS PLAN HAS PASSED.
SO THAT'S MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP AND, UH, ADDRESS THE COMMENT OF THE, UH, CITIZEN? YEAH, SO WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T, EVA, WE FOCUSED ON THAT LOOP NINE CORRIDOR.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THESE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL VOLUMES.
YOU SAID YOU, YOU SAID YOU DID NOT, SO WE DID NOT, WE DID NOT PULL THE VOLUME FOR THAT.
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OKAY.BUT THE THOUGHTS ON THERE WOULD BE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS FROM THE, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN FOR A WHILE.
IF IT WERE TO, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THEN TO PROBABLY KEEP IT.
'CAUSE IT WOULD GIVE YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ULTIMATELY WIDEN IF YOU WERE NEED TO FUTURE DOWN THE LINE.
WHEREAS IF YOU DOWNGRADE IT NOW AND DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME IN, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO UPGRADE AT THAT TIME BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO POINT TO THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH IS THE RIGHT OF WAY PRESERVATION DOCUMENT AND YOU'VE ALREADY DOWNGRADED IT.
SO AT THAT POINT, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KIND OF FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION FURTHER.
THAT WOULD BE MY ADDITIONAL THOUGHT.
COUNSEL, ESSENTIALLY, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE PURPOSE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT IS NOT TO LOOK AT A BLUEPRINT OF TODAY, BUT A BLUEPRINT OF 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE, UH, THE, THE IDEA OF THE THOROUGH FAIR PLAN.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE THAT, IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THAT CHANGE TODAY, JUST UNDERSTAND THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A CONSEQUENCE OR AN IMPACT, YOU KNOW, FOR, I DON'T KNOW, POTENTIAL FUNDING OR, OR, OR SUPPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY TYPE OF DUE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY BE COMING AROUND THE LAKE RIDGE AREA, UH, IF IT'S NOT WITHIN THE DOCUMENT, THEN THAT CAN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AFFECT OTHER PLANS THAT'S MAYBE FROM INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAY BE GOING AROUND IT.
UM, THERE COULD BE SOME MAJOR MINOR COLLECTORS THAT COULD COME OFF OF THIS PLAN IN FUTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN FUTURE, YOU KNOW, FUTURE DATES.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW IF YOU KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE DOWNGRADED AND THEN EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS, IS EVOLVING AND BEING BUILT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT COULD MAYBE HAVE SOME TYPE OF AN IMPACT, UH, TOWARDS LAKERIDGE, UH, SPECIFICALLY.
SO THERE, THERE SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE PLAN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN AND PLAN FOR.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT FOR TODAY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IT WON'T BE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, MAYBE NOT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, BUT FOR THE NEXT 30, 40 YEARS.
UM, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JUST PUT IT OUT THERE JUST AS A REMINDER, CUSTOMER HATING.
I I HAVE A QUESTION RELATIVE TO THAT.
UM, SO WE'VE CAME INTO THIS THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, WE'VE MADE SOME UPGRADES, WE MADE SOME DOWNGRADES.
HOW OFTEN DO WE LOOK AT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO MAKE UPGRADES AND DOWNGRADES? SO ACCORDING TO THE SPECIFICATIONS, I BELIEVE THAT'S, WELL THAT'S CAPITAL FEES.
I THINK IT'S EVERY, EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UM, SO YEAH, WE TYPICALLY, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF, I THINK WE TRY TO DO IT EVERY 10 15 YEAR.
SO, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS, AT LEAST AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN ALLOWS US BASED ON THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA OF THE ROADS TO BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY WIDEN, UH, THE ROADS IN THE FUTURE FOR WHAT'S PLANNED BASED ON THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
SO FROM LAKE RIDGE'S STANDPOINT, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE LAKERIDGE, UM, EASEMENTS AND STUFF IS ALREADY THERE TO TRY TO, TO, TO MAKE THE INITIAL ADJUSTMENTS IF NEEDED 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO IF YOU DOWNGRADE IT NOW, UH, AND YOU ALREADY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN THE FUTURE, AND OR YOU ALSO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO UPGRADE IN THE FUTURE, WHY WOULD WE, WHAT WOULD BE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DOWNGRADE IT NOW? UM, WELL, I, I USE, UM, MANSFIELD ROAD FOR EXAMPLE.
YOU KNOW, MANSFIELD ROAD GOES PAST BELTLINE GOING TOWARDS THE LAKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT PROJECT HAD MULTIPLE FUNDING PARTNERS, UM, AND I THINK IT WAS FIRSTLY FIRST FUNDED IN 2001.
FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS 2001 FOR, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT TO BE DESIGNED AND, BUT IT WASN'T ENOUGH FUNDING FOR IT TO BE GO INTO CONSTRUCTION.
IT LITERALLY TOOK 15 YEARS FOR FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO BE PUT ON THAT PROJECT.
BUT AGAIN, BUT THE DISCUSSION OF THE FUNDING COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF IT WASN'T WITHIN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, SO THAT'S, SO THAT THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE TO BE ABLE TO NOT GROUND IT DOWNGRADE TO GO FORWARD.
UM, SO, UH, SO YEAH, I JUST, I JUST KINDA WANTED TO MAKE SURE ON THIS, I KNOW, UH, AS A COUNCIL AND, AND AS A, AS A STAFF AND WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO, WE'D WANT TO TRY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO TO BE ABLE TO LIMIT ANY KIND OF TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE ANYWAY IN THE FUTURE.
SO YEAH, AS IT RELATES TO TRUCK TRAFFIC, YEAH, IT IS NOT THE CITY'S INTENTION AT ALL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
SO, UH, TRUCK TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A THOROUGHFARE, YOU KNOW, PLAN, BUT THERE IS A PLAN THAT MAY BE COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN THE, IN THE FUTURE AGENDA
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FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO LIMIT TRUCK TRAFFIC TO GO ON LAKE RIDGE PARK.AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ARTICULATE NOW, TO LET THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, AS A COUNCIL, THAT IS DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL, CORRECT.
DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO PREVENT TRUST.
WE JUST, WE, IT IS JUST NOT A THIRD FAIR PLAN.
IT'S NOT A EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NOTHING THAT WE CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR TONIGHT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT UNDERNEATH THE SAME TOPIC.
BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE THIRD FAIR PLAN, THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ELIMINATE ANY IMPACT TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY.
UH, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF CONGESTION, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY MINOR COLLECTORS, ANY TYPE OF OPPORTUNITIES, THIS THOROUGHFARE PLANE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE.
THANK YOU MAYOR FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, YES SIR.
YEAH, SO, SO, UH, IT WASN'T MENTIONED, BUT YEAH, TRUCK TRAFFIC IS NOT THE DESIRE OF THE CITY OR THE COUNCIL.
SO WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN TO BE ABLE TO PUT A POLICY IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO ELIMINATE ANY TYPE OF TRUCK TRAFFIC.
YEAH, AND I, I KNEW THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAJOR, MAJOR CONCERN.
I'LL, I'LL JUST FOR THE, YEAH.
SO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS AND, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS CONCEPT, BUT I, I THINK THAT WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE THE LATITUDE TO ADJUST IT WHENEVER, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TONIGHT AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS CITY MANAGER, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, WE DON'T, I MEAN, I I, AND THE ONLY THING FOR ME IS I WANT TO SEE, I WANNA TAKE A TIME AND LOOK AT IT.
I HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO IT AND TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DECISION TONIGHT WITHOUT GETTING MORE INFORMATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE PROCESS THINGS AS A CITY.
I MEAN, WE'VE HISTORICALLY LOOKED AT SOMETHING IN GREAT DETAIL AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M OPPOSED TO IT, I JUST WANNA LOOK AT IT AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS.
I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT IT, BUT I DON'T, TONIGHT IS, THAT'S A BIG DECISION TO MAKE WITHOUT HAVING LOOKED AT IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE HAVE AN ENGINEER, UH, I THINK MR. DALE ADDRESSED SOME SERIOUS THINGS.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN PURSUE AS A COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS.
UH, AND I JUST WANT TO EXPLORE A LOT OF THINGS TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS, LAKERIDGE CONCERNS.
BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE A, A RASH DECISION TONIGHT.
YOU, THE COUNCIL CAN'T, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE DECIDE WE COULD HAVE A MEETING SOMEWHERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND LOOK AT IT IN GREAT DETAIL AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS.
CITY MANAGER, UH, PRO TIM, UH, I, CITY MANAGER WANTS TO SAY A FEW WORDS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS OUT HERE AGAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S HAS BEEN SOME INTEREST OF, OF PUTTING, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY RETAIL, I DON'T WANNA NAME ANYTHING FOR KNOW, FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, BUT, UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME INTEREST OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TARGET SOME TYPE OF RETAIL, UM, RIGHT THERE IN THAT CORNER.
I'M USING THE WORD RETAIL, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE RIGHT WORD.
UM, IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN, UM, THEN WE, THE, THE, THE CITY WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF LEVERAGE, UM, FOR, FOR THAT INSTITUTION TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE HIGHWAY.
SO I JUST KIND OF JUST WANNA, JUST THOUGHT IT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE ON THE C'S DOM IF IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN, UH, JUST KIND OF JUST PUT IT OUT OUT THERE IF WE, IF WE TRY TO GAIN CONSENSUS.
COUNSEL, I JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, BE FULL TRANSPARENT, UH, CITY MANAGER YOU, ANYTHING TO ADD, JUST, JUST REAL QUICKLY FOR PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FRAMEWORK OF THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE SYSTEM LARGELY A ONE, THE LONG, THE ONE MILE GRID HAS THOSE ARTERIALS IN PLACE.
JOE WILSON, DUNCANVILLE ROAD, SOUTH CLARK, UM, UH, PLEASANT RUN, THEY ARE ALL, UH, MAJOR ARTERIALS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY COULD BE AT SOME 0.6 LANES WHEN THE DEMAND REQUIRES IT.
CEDAR HILL DOES NOT BUILD SIX LANES.
SO DUNCANVILLE, AS AN EXAMPLE, BUILDS SIX LANES RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
AND IN FACT, THERE IS NO CITY MAJOR ARTERIAL THAT HAS SIX LANES EVEN NOW.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEEDED.
AND WHEN IT'S NOT NEEDED, THERE'S NO POINT IN PUTTING THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS THAT COME WITH HAVING EXTRA WIDE ROADS, RIGHT? AND SO, IN FACT, THE ONLY SIX LANE ROADS YOU HAVE IN THE ENTIRE CITY ARE HIGHWAY 67 NORTH OF BELTLINE AND A SMALL SECTION OF 1382 BETWEEN 67 AND JOE WILSON, EVERYTHING ELSE STOPS IT.
FOUR LANE DIVIDED AT ITS LARGEST.
EVEN AT THAT, THE COUNCIL RETAINS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL, TO DECIDE WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO ADD LANES.
UH, AND AS YOU KNOW, YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS AS ALLEN SAID, SORRY, THE MAYOR PRO 10 SAID EVERY YEAR, BUT CERTAINLY IN YOUR CIP PLANNING AND AS YOU DO UPDATES TO YOUR CAPITAL
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IMPACT FEE, I MEAN YOUR CAPITAL IMPACT FEE STUDIES, UH, AND YOUR CIPS.SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ABOUT LAKERIDGE PARKWAY THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN JOE WILSON, UH, DUNCANVILLE ROAD, SOUTH CLARK, ALL THOSE OTHER ONES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THE, THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT.
IF YOU BELIEVE AT SOME POINT YOU MIGHT NEED IT, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED ENOUGH CORRIDOR TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.
IF IN FACT IT TURNS OUT THAT THAT IS REQUIRED.
AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IT'S ABOUT ALSO MAINTAINING YOUR ABILITY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SPACE FOR IT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WHETHER YOU ACTUALLY DO IT.
I BELIEVE MR. DALE'S COMMENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY TRUE IN TERMS OF THE WAY WE MANAGE TRAFFIC SPEED CONTROL.
THE WAY THAT LOOP NINE INTERSECTS WITH THE INTERSECTION AT 67, HOW HARD IS IT TO GET OFF THE MAIN LANES OF LOOP NINE AND FIND YOUR WAY, UH, ON LAKERIDGE PARKWAY? AND THERE ARE DESIGN ELEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, AS WELL AS I BELIEVE ONE OF YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WE MANAGE COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC AND WHAT ROUTES ARE INTENDED FOR THOSE AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT.
SO I DON'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE CLASSIFICATION IS HELPING DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD HAVE ABOUT HOW TRAFFIC IS MANAGED.
I DON'T THINK IT ACTUALLY HELPS WITH THAT AT ALL.
I'LL ALSO SAY BACK, UH, TO AMERIPRO TIM'S POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MODELED, THE THOROUGHFARE SYSTEM IS MODELED AND PLANNED JUST SO THAT IF YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT, UM, AND THOSE THINGS CAN BE MODIFIED OVER TIME, BUT WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS CREATE YOURSELF A BOTTLENECK THAT THEN MAKES EVERYTHING WORSE BECAUSE YOU NOW NO LONGER HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS IT.
SO I BELIEVE THERE ARE WAYS OF BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS, UH, UH, MR. DALE'S CONCERNS.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL HAS THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
IF IT'S YOUR DESIRE FOR US TO GO BACK AND STUDY THOSE TWO ROADWAYS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE DATA ASSOCIATED WITH DOING IT.
UM, THIS PLAN THAT'S, UH, BEFORE YOU NOW DID NOT RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES, WHICH MEANS EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T ADOPT THIS PLAN, IT'S STILL A CLASS, UH, IT'S STILL A MAJOR ARTERIAL, SO NOTHING OF THAT WOULD CHANGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL'S OPTIONS REALLY ARE, IS, UH, ADOPT THIS ONE AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES.
AND IF IT'S YOUR DESIRE THAT WE GO BACK AND CONSIDER, UH, THE CONSEQUENCES OF MAKING A MODIFICATION ON THE SHORT TERM OR SORE OATH, THEN WE GO, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO GO BACK AND DO THAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MALONE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I JUST HAD A A I NEEDED A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON DUNCANVILLE ROAD AS FAR AS, ARE WE LOOKING AT FOUR LANES ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO O VILLA? WHERE DOES THIS STOP? SO YEAH, I MEAN, FOR THE SOUTHERN EXTENT, WE'RE TAKE CARRYING FOUR LANE DIVIDED ALL THE WAY THROUGH, THROUGH THE SOUTHERN EXTENT OF THE CITY TO DID END AT JOHNSON LANE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT, WHAT THE ADJACENT THROUGH AFA PLAN IS.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.
WAS THAT FOUR LANES ALL THE WAY DOWN OR JUST ON THE NORTHERN END OF DUNCANVILLE ROAD FROM BEAR CREEK, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH END AND YEAH.
DID END INTO JOHNSON LANE? I BELIEVE THAT THE ADJACENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN CONTINUES THAT SOUTH, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE A, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, IS THERE A TRIGGER, UH, I KNOW YOU GAVE US, UH, THE, THE NUMBER COUNTS, UH, AND YOU WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND, BUT IS THERE ACTUALLY A, A, A TRIGGER OF, YOU KNOW, CONGESTION COUNTS OR, OR ONCE YOU GET UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UM, TRAFFIC PER DAY, THAT IS TIME FOR US TO CONSIDER FUNDING THESE EXCHANGES FOR PUSHING THE ACTUAL WIDENING OF THEM? YEAH, SO IT'D BE, YOU'D LOOK AT WHAT AN EXISTING CROSS SECTION IS AND YOU'D DO A THOROUGHFARE CAPACITY ANALYSIS ESSENTIALLY.
SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM A DAILY PERSPECTIVE LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS, OR YOU CAN GET PEAK HOUR VOLUMES AS WELL AND LOOK AT IT FROM A PEAK HOUR PERSPECTIVE AND BACK INTO WHAT THOSE WOULD BE NECESSARY TO SERVE IT.
SO IF THE EXISTING TWO LANE CROSS SECTION ISN'T ADEQUATE FOR NOW, GET A TRAFFIC COUNT OR IF YOU GUYS HAVE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, GET THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY, EVALUATE THAT COMPARED TO THE EXISTING CROSS SECTION TO SEE IF IT ULTIMATELY WOULD BE NEEDED.
ALRIGHT, CUSTOMER GLOVER, CITY MANAGER PORTER, PROVIDE CLARITY FOR MY QUESTION, SO THANK YOU.
ANY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE CONSULTANT? YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR HIM? I, I, NO, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF.
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UM, SO THE, THE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE CURRENT PROCESS IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND, AND, UH, AND I'M JUST GONNA USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, IS, IS GREENWAY MINOR ARTERIAL.AND SO THE, THE NEXT STEP UP AND, AND WHAT IT'S IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WOULD BE A GREENWAY PRINCIPLE ARTERIAL.
AND SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE 118 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY, UM, ALLOTTED, UH, FOR, FOR LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS, UM, IF WE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THE CITY DECIDED THAT, UH, THE EXPANSION OF THE ROADWAY WAS NEEDED, WOULD WE JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH EXPANDING THE ROADWAY THEN, OR WOULD THERE BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO, TO DISCUSS IT? SO LET ME, UM, BE CLEAR ON THE FACTS.
I BELIEVE OFFICER ROBERTSON, UM, A, UH, LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY NECESSARY TO DO SIX LANES IF YOU DECIDED YOU NEED TO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THEN THERE'S ROOM IN THE MIDDLE, NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU WANT TO, BUT YOU HAVE IT IF YOU NEEDED TO, TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE TO TRACK IT.
SO IF YOU WERE TO EXPAND IT, YOU'RE ONLY EXPANDING IT WITHIN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, YOU WOULD NOT EXPAND OUTSIDE OF IT, WHICH IS AGAIN, WHY PLANNING IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT THE MAXIMUM EXTENT YOU MIGHT NEED SO THAT YOU'RE NOT THEN GETTING INTO AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU THEN HAVE TO THEN BE ABLE TO ADDRESS FOR THE EXPANSION.
SO WITH LAKERIDGE PARKWAY, AND THIS IS AGAIN, WHY I THINK IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO GET THE DATA ON IT FIRST, UM, AS, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S EITHER ROOM TO EXPAND IT BEYOND WHERE IT IS NOW, AND I BELIEVE THAT IT HAS ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY NECESSARY FOR IT TO MAINTAIN ITS CLASSIFICATION.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHEN THE COUNCIL DECIDES AT ITS DISCRETION TO FUND AND OR DECIDE TO DESIGN OR IN WHAT WAY WE DECIDE TO TELL, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE THE DESIGN OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WHEN IT'S DONE.
MANSFIELD ROAD IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
UH, IT'S ALSO, UH, PARTS OF IT ARE A MAJOR ARTERIAL, AND THE COMMUNITY SAID THEY WANTED THAT DONE IN SUCH A WAY WHERE IT'S VERY CONTEXT SENSITIVE AND AS A RESULT YOU HAVE TRAILS, YOU HAVE, UH, UH, BIOSWELLS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF GREENERY AND SO FORTH, THAT CAN VERY WELL BE THE DESIGN, UM, THE DESIGN GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY ON ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MADE FOR LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY AT SUCH TIME IS THAT IT'S DECIDED THAT THAT'S A NECESSARY INVESTMENT.
WELL, AND I USED LAKERIDGE PARKWAY AS AN EXAMPLE, AND, AND WHAT I WAS REALLY AFTER IS WHAT THE, THE PROCESS IS THAT WHERE, WHERE WE WOULD DECIDE TO, TO GO FROM CURRENT CONFIGURATION TO THE, TO THE ULTIMATE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN IN, IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I, I'M, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY PREVENT IS THAT, IS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CITIZENS ARE NOT AWARE OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GET THIS HUGE SHOCK WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS SHOW UP.
AND, AND THEY START MOVING DIRT AND, AND TEARING UP THE ROADWAY AND, AND, AND TEARING UP ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY TO, TO EXPAND THE ROAD.
SO I WOULD SAY, NOW I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
SO YOU CAN SIT, THE COUNCIL CONSIDERS ITS FIVE YEAR CIP MM-HMM.
SO, UH, THE FIRST THING WOULD BE YOU HAVE A NEED AND THAT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED EITHER BY CITIZENS SAYING, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE CAN'T GET TRAFFIC.
THAT STUDY WOULD THEN SAY, HERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO IT AND HERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THE COUNCIL AT THIS DISCRETION DECIDES TO ADD THAT TO THE CIP, WHICH THEN BEGINS THE PUBLIC PROCESS OF UNDERSTANDING, HEY, THERE IS A POTENTIAL PROJECT HERE.
AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE COUNCIL DESIGNS THINGS, IT ALMOST ALWAYS INCLUDES THE PUBLIC IN DESIGN, ESPECIALLY ON MAJOR ROADWAYS.
AND SO IT WOULD BE A PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD PRESUMABLY HAVE FIVE YEARS OUT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC AND YOUR DESIGN TEAM TO GET WHAT YOU'D WANT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REALLY GOING FOR.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT, I GUESS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS, IS WHAT IS THE PROCESS SO THAT, UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE ELSE CAN, CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.
UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE DUNCANVILLE ROAD, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, AT SOME POINT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, NEED TO BE EXPANDED AND, AND ANOTHER ROADWAYS WE HAVE ARE GONNA NEED TO BE EXPANDED.
AND YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S GROWTH COMING.
WE'RE, WE'RE THE SOUTHERNMOST CITY IN DALLAS COUNTY AND THERE'S NO ROOM LEFT NORTH.
UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING OUR WAY.
UH, BUT I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO THINK ARE YOU KNOW OF, ARE THERE WAYS WHERE WE CAN KIND OF BRING PEOPLE ALONG? IS AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE,
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NUMBER ONE.AND NUMBER TWO, I REALLY DON'T WANT SIX LANES GOING THROUGH LAKERIDGE.
IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE SIX LANES GOING THROUGH LAKERIDGE, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE.
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S JUST THAT PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
'CAUSE THAT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE PUTTING BELT LINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE CONGESTION AND SLOWER MOVING TRAFFIC THAN, THAN TO HAVE SIX LANES THROUGH, THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE LIKE PUTTING A FOUR LANE ROADWAY THROUGH KINGSWOOD.
SO I, I WOULD GO BACK TO MY FIRST STATEMENT.
I THINK IF WE, THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE EVALUATED IN THE SAME WAY ALL THESE OTHER CHANGES HAVE BEEN EVALUATED, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE PATHWAY TO GO.
AND IF THAT'S YOUR GUIDANCE FOR THE STAFF, THEN WE WILL UNDERTAKE THE REVIEW OF THOSE ROADWAYS WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF DOWNGRADING IT IN TERMS OF FLEXIBILITY COSTS AND SO FORTH.
UM, COUNSEL, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, TALKED IT OUT.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TODAY, UM, UH, WAS PRESENTED DURING THE PRESENTATION.
UM, LAKE RIDGE, UH, PARKWAY WAS NOT ON THERE.
UM, HOWEVER, TONIGHT IS ALSO AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, BUT ALSO GIVE STAFF, UH, THE CHARGE TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY DO, UH, GET SOME DATA FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT, SEE HOW, SEE WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS YOU CAN BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO US AND LET US KNOW, UH, HOW CAN WE BE ABLE TO HAVE A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT COULD AVOID MAYBE, UH, A, A SIX LANE DIVIDED AND BE ABLE TO TRY TO DETOUR TRAFFIC ONCE THE TRAFFIC, UH, CONGESTIONS, UH, INCREASE.
UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, THEN WE COULD COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE DO SOME DIALOGUE AND, AND, UH, DELIBERATE AND GO FROM THERE.
MAYOR, JUST ONE MODIFICATION TO, YOU MENTIONED SOME, UH, SOME SPECIFIC TRAFFIC CONCERNS, IF THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION TO LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS TO ADDRESS, UH, TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO, DO WE KNOW WHAT THOSE OTHER STREETS WERE OR? YES.
SO AGAIN, PATRICK, DALE, UM, THE MAJOR TRAFFIC CONCERN IS TRUCKS.
SO PUTTING SIGNS THAT SAY NO THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC.
GRAND PRAIRIE DID THAT FOR MERRI LAGOS.
SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF ACTION, IF NOT TONIGHT, SOME OTHER NIGHT TO GET SOME NO.
AND JUST KEEP IN MIND, MR. PORTER IS CORRECT, THE RIGHT OF WAYS ARE ACCURATE FOR LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY.
WE ARE PROTECTING THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS WITH TREES, BUSHES, AND OTHER GREENERY.
ANY EFFORT TO GO FROM FOUR TO SIX LANES AS WIPING OUT GREENERY, WHICH, IF I LISTEN TO WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IS COUNTER TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IN COUNSEL.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND RIGHT AWAY.
SO IF YOU ABSOLUTELY HAD TO DO IT, YOU'D BE RIPPING OUT GREENERY TO PUT IN CONCRETE.
SO I WAS ALSO CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT SPEEDING.
WE'LL GET WITH MR. DALE AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS AND INCLUDE THAT IN OUR EVALUATION OF NOT JUST THE CLASSIFICATION, BUT THE OTHER MEASURES THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO ADDRESS THEM.
UM, I BELIEVE TEXAS PLUME WAS, WAS INCLUDED IN HERE AS A MINOR COLLECTOR.
I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
BUT TALK ABOUT, WELL, PUBLIC HEARING'S SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSED.
UH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS ON THE AGENDA.
I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WAS OKAY WITH THE PRESENTATION.
NO, I'M SAYING YOU, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO COME UP AND SPEAK.
YOU COME UP, BUT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.
BUT I, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A, THAT'S A THUMBS UP.
AND THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND TRY TO MAKE A MOTION COUNCIL.
SO JUST A QUESTION, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE, LIKE I SAID ONE 'CAUSE WE DID INTO JOHNSON LANE.
JOHNSON LANE IS JUST ONE, IT'S LIKE A TWO LANE AT THE END.
IF WE'RE DOING FOUR, TWO GOING DOWN AND TWO COMING UP, WHERE'S JOHNSON? I'M SORRY.
SO JOHNSON LANE IS IN O VILLA.
THAT WOULD BE OUTTA CEDAR HILL.
BUT THEN THAT WOULD BE LIKE A BOTTLENECK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO, YOU CAN'T GO STRAIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT OR LEFT.
SO WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MAKE SOME KIND OF PARTNERSHIP WITH O VILLA TO MAKE A FLOW THROUGH THERE.
THAT'S SO, I MEAN, WHENEVER YOU, I I'LL USE, UM, TYPICALLY WHENEVER YOU GO FROM, UH, ONE CITY,
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ONE COUNTY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE SOME DIALOGUE WITH THE, WITH THE, THE NEXT CITY, TRY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A PARTNERSHIP.UM, SO WHENEVER THERE IS, UH, A NEED FOR THERE FOR, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CONGESTION, UM, THERE IS CON YOU KNOW, A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
JUST LIKE IN OUR CIP PLAN, UM, UH, WHAT'S THE STREET? VILLE ROAD? JUST LIKE VILLE ROAD, VILLE ROAD BORDERS, DESOTO.
SO INSTEAD OF CEDAR HILL, JUST, JUST ASKING FOR FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY, UH, WE'RE ASKING DESOTO KIND OF GO IN WITH US BECAUSE THEY ALSO ARE, WHO WILL BE THE BENEFIT FROM THAT.
SO TYPICALLY THAT'S KIND OF BEEN OUR STANDARD PRACTICE.
YEAH, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN OF MINE.
'CAUSE I COULD BACK EVERYTHING GOING BACK NORTH OF DUNCANVILLE ROAD.
LIKE WINTER, GREEN AND DUNCANVILLE ROAD, WHERE IT IS DUNCANVILLE, DESOTO AND CEDAR HILL IN ORDER TO MAKE WINTER GREEN AND DUNCANVILLE ROAD MANAGE AND GO FROM WHAT IT WAS, TWO LANE, ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION TO MULTIPLE LANES GOING EAST, WEST, AND NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND, AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF, UH, OF CONNECTIONS THAT WE, OR AFFILIATIONS THAT WE WOULD WORK ON.
AND, UH, WE, WE'LL, WE WILL BE SURE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE, UH, ANY, ANY PARTNERS THAT'S, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BENEFIT FROM ANY, UH, EXPANSIONS.
SO, SO COUNSEL, I, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH, UH, HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT'S GIVEN TO US.
WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME UPGRADES, SOME DOWNGRADES.
UM, WE ALSO DID TALK ABOUT LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL STUDIES TO BE INCLUDED WITH THE MOTION, UH, SO WE CAN BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DATA FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO IT COULD BE INCLUDED IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, CURRENT, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, COUNSEL, UM, UH, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.
WELL, I'LL, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, APPROVE AND ADOPT THE, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN CASE NUMBER Z 6 4 4 2 0 2 4, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE GOING TO EVALUATE THE TRAFFIC DATA FOR LAKERIDGE PARKWAY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, UM, IT IS, SHOULD REMAIN AS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL.
AND, UM, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE ADDED TO A FUTURE CIP PLAN.
UH, WE DO HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL COUNSEL.
THE MOTION IS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, TODAY'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT TO BE ABLE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL STUDIES FOR LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY.
SO LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY AND PRAIRIE VIEW.
SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL STUDIES FOR LAKERS PARKWAY AND PRAIRIE VIEW.
UM, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
I BELIEVE WE DID HAVE STUDIES FOR DOUGLASVILLE ROAD.
WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE STUDIES FOR DOUGLASVILLE ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THE, IT'S IN THE THOROUGH PLAN.
ALRIGHT, SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
UH, THIS IS ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH EIGHT 11 IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF CEDAR HILL, TEXAS, ADOPTING AMENDMENTS TO THE 2022 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CEDAR HILL NEXT, PRESERVING THE PAST, CULTIVATING THE FUTURE BY REPEALING AND REPLACING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE SECTION AND EXHIBIT B, THE GREENWAY CORRIDOR PLAN, PROVIDING FOR, UM, REPEALING AND SEVERABILITY CLAUSES.
FINDING AND DETERMINING THAT THE MEETING AT WHICH THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PROVIDING FOR PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
DO HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCILOR MCCURY? DO HAVE A SECOND? COUNCIL MEMBER, HAYDEN, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, COUNCILMAN MALONE.
WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT, UH, DOUGLASVILLE ROAD IF YOU LIKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, AT A LATER, LATER MEETING.
ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? APPRECIATE YOUR RIGHT HAND MOTION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORD COUNSEL.
THANKS AGAIN FOR COMING AND JUDGE YOUR CONCERNS.
UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP WORKING IT OUT.
[b. Conduct a public hearing and consider adoption of Ordinance No. 2024-812 which updates the land use assumptions, capital improvement plans for water, wastewater and roadway facilities and adopts a revised fee schedule.]
THE AGENDA IS, UH, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 812, WHICH UPDATE THE LAND OF ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS FOR WATER, WASTEWATER, AND ROADWAY FACILITIES, AND ADOPT A REVISED FEE SCHEDULE.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AGAIN.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE THAT WE, UH, JUST WRAPPED UP.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER SOME BASICS AND THEN COMPONENTS INCLUDING THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, THE
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CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, I WILL STRESS THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.IMPACT FEE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM ALONE.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, CALCULATION OF THE MAXIMUM FEE AND THEN THE PROPOSED COLLECTION RATE.
SO FOR SOME BASICS, WHAT ARE IMPACT FEES? IT'S A ONE-TIME FEE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
A MECHANISM TO RECOVER INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS TO REQUIRED TO SERVE SAID DEVELOPMENT.
WERE GOVERNED BY CHAPTER 3 95 BY THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 1987.
AND IN TEXAS, WATER WASTEWATER ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE AND BACK FEES ARE ALLOWED.
OTHER STATES HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICT, POLICE, FIRE, OTHERS.
WHAT COSTS ARE RECOVERABLE? SO WHAT COSTS CAN WE ASSOCIATE WITH IMPACT FEES? CONSTRUCTION PLANNING, SURVEYING AND ENGINEERING OF COSTS IDENTIFIED ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE INCLUDED IN OUR CIP PLANS.
WE'LL GO OVER THOSE FOR THE ROADWAY, WATER AND WASTEWATER STUDIES, LAND ACQUISITION AND ASSOCIATED COSTS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING AND OUR FINANCIAL CONSULTING.
PROJECTED INTEREST IN FINANCE COST AND THE LOCAL SHARE FOR STATE AND FEDERAL ROADWAYS, NONRECOVERABLE COST OR ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT IDENTIFIED ON OUR CIPS OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.
COST IMPROVEMENTS TO REMEDY EXISTING DEFICIENCIES, ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL COST TO THE CITY AND NON-PROJECT DEBT SERVICE.
SO THE IDEA BEHIND THIS AGAIN IS IMPACT FEES ARE FACILITATING CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU'RE NOT REMEDYING EXISTING DEFICIENCIES FOR THE COMPONENTS.
OUR LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, WE UTILIZED DATA FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE GOT WITH CITY STAFF TO KNOW UPCOMING DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN OR PLAN DEVELOPMENTS ON THE HORIZON, YOU'LL SEE THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN ROADWAY.
WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY AND THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR PREVIOUS IMPACT FEE PROGRAMS FOR ROADWAY.
UM, ON THE ROADWAY SIDE, PER CHAPTER 3 95, YOU'RE LIMITED TO A SIX MILE TRIP LENGTH.
SO THAT LIMITS OUR SERVICE AREA.
SO WE MAINTAIN THE SAME FOUR SERVICE AREAS AND THEN WE BREAK OUT OUR RESIDENTIAL INTO SINGLE AND MULTIFAMILY USE.
NON-RESIDENTIAL IS BASIC OR MORE INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES SERVICES AND OFFICE TYPE OF USE AND COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL USES.
UM, ON THE ROADWAY SIDE, AGAIN, WE UTILIZE SOME OF THIS DATA OR WE DID UTILIZE THIS DATA IN THE THOROUGH FOR PLAN EVALUATION.
UH, THIS PAIRS WELL WITH THE COG UPDATES BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY USE THESE SAME DEMOGRAPHICS TO RUN THEIR TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL.
SO THEY TALK THE SAME WATER AND WASTEWATER, THEY'RE UTILIZING YOUR FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
UM, AND THEY UTILIZE ACREAGE RATHER THAN RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND ON THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 10 YEAR PLANNING WINDOW.
SO THIS IS NOT AT BUILD OUT, THIS IS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THE ANTICIPATED DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN INTO EACH SERVICE AREA.
THERE'S THE ROADWAY IMPACT, FEE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, AGAIN, YOUR FOUR SERVICE AREAS, NORTHWEST ONE AND THEN ROTATING CLOCKWISE TO FOUR ON THE SOUTHWEST.
UM, WE UTILIZE THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN AS OUR KIND OF GUIDING LIGHT WHEN COMING UP WITH THESE PROJECTS.
YOU SEE A DIFFERENT COLOR CODED PROJECT TYPES.
UM, ANYTHING WE IDENTIFIED THAT'S NOT BUILT OUT PER THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS FLAGGED AS A PROJECT.
WE SAT DOWN WITH STAFF AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S ANTICIPATED TO OCCUR OVER THE NEXT 10 YEAR PLANNING WINDOW.
SO ON ALL OF THESE WE HAVE NEW PROJECTS SHOWN AS THE RED DOTTED LINES.
WIDENING PROJECTS IS A PROJECT THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BE FULLY RECONSTRUCTED.
YOUR YELLOW LINE WORK, WE HAVE PARTIAL WIDENINGS, WE'RE WIDENING ONE HALF, MAYBE A TWO LANE UNDIVIDED RIGHT NOW.
ULTIMATE FOUR LANE DIVIDED, YOU ONLY NEED HALF OF THE CAPACITY TO GET TO YOUR ULTIMATE CROSS SECTION.
A WIDENING ONE THIRD IS A SIMILAR SCENARIO.
MAYBE A TWO LANE UNDIVIDED, THREE LANE UNDIVIDED ULTIMATE.
AGAIN, YOU NEED A THIRD OF THE ULTIMATE CAPACITY TO GET TO YOUR ULTIMATE CROSS SECTION.
AND THEN WE DID HAVE ONE COMPLETED PROJECT.
WE ALSO IDENTIFIED INTERSECTION PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE SHOWN IN THE UM, DOTS.
SO BLUE AND UH, GREEN FOR INTERCHANGES AND INTERSECTION PROJECTS FOR THE WATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
UH, THE WATER WASTEWATER MODELING EFFORTS WERE ADOPTED IN JUNE'S COUNCIL MEETINGS.
UM, WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN HERE IS RED PROJECTS ARE, UH, NEW PROJECTS AND THEN BLUE PROJECTS ARE EXISTING PROJECTS THAT STILL HAVE CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT FUTURE DEMAND WE PROJECT TO OCCUR OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
SIMILARLY, SIMILARLY WITH WASTEWATER, UH, MASTER PLANNING EFFORTS CAME UP WITH THESE PROJECTS.
WE LOOK AT THE 10 YEAR WINDOW.
BLUE HAS STILL ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT FUTURE DEMAND.
WE DIVIDE THAT BY THE 10 YEAR NET NEW SERVICE AREA.
UNITS PER SERVICE AREA, WATER AND WASTEWATER HAS ONE SERVICE AREA ROADWAY SPLIT INTO THE FOUR.
SO ROADWAY, YOU'LL HAVE A RANGE FROM SERVICE AREA FOUR AT THE LOWEST OF 1050 $9 PER VEHICLE.
MILE AND SERVICE AREA ONE IS 3020 $5 PER VEHICLE MILE ON WATER.
THE 2024 MAX CALCULATED WAS $4,489 PER SERVICE UNIT
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EQUIVALENT AND WASTEWATER WAS $1,686 PER SERVICE UNIT EQUIVALENT.WE LOOKED AT OUR PROPOSED COLLECTION RATES.
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS YOU'RE CURRENTLY ADOPTED VERSUS WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING.
UM, SO ON ROADWAY CURRENTLY ADOPTED IS $577 PER VEHICLE MILE.
THE PROPOSED RATE IS THE LOWEST OF THE FORCED SERVICE AREAS.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE CALCULATING THE MAXIMUM.
SO IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO ADOPT SOMETHING HIGHER THAN THE 1050 $9 PER VEHICLE MILE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT A DIFFERENT MAX FEE IN SERVICE AREA FOUR, BECAUSE YOU'RE CAPPED AT THAT, WE CAN'T GO ANY HIGHER.
SO THE CITYWIDE ADOPTION RATE THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED IS $1,000, 1050 $9 PER VEHICLE.
WE SHOW THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED ONE INCH AND THEN THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND TOWN HOME.
THOSE ARE REDUCED ACCORDINGLY FOR THAT RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, SO THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED WATER ONE INCH, UH, FEE IS 4,343.
THEIR PROPOSED RATE IS A SLIGHT INCREASE OF 4,000 FOR HUNDRED $89.
UM, SINGLE FAMILY FOR WATER IS $2,555 AND THE PROPOSED RATE IS $2,693.
WASTEWATER CURRENTLY ADOPTED ONE INCH $1,606.
PROPOSED RATE IS $1,686 AND THEN ADOPTED FOR SINGLE FAMILY ON WASTEWATER FOR $945.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED RATE IS $1,012.
ALRIGHT, ANY OF, WELL, I GUESS WE GO DO PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER 2024 DASH EIGHT 12? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER 2020 4 8 12? GOOD EVENING.
AGAIN, SIR, JUST FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
PATRICK DALE, 1112 PROSPERITY.
UM, WHAT I WANNA SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS THE SECTION FOUR PLAN.
UH, AND, AND WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY THE TEXAS PLUME AIR, THE TEXAS PLUME EXPANSION.
SO IN THERE IT'S INCREASING THE TEXAS PLUME ROAD TO A GREENWAY MAJOR COLLECTOR, WHICH REQUIRES A 90 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY.
RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION.
YOU KNOW, CHAD HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO DRIVE IN THAT AREA.
HAVING THIS, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR-WAY GREENWAY COLLECTOR WOULD BE AMAZING.
IT GIVES A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF LAKERIDGE.
UH, I REALLY LOVE THE 12 FOOT SIDEWALK THAT YOU PUT ON EITHER THE NORTH OR SOUTH SIDE.
UH, IT THEN WOULD ALLOW THE BIKE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE IN LAKERIDGE A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET IT OUT.
SO IF YOU'VE SEEN BIKERS TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT ON TEXAS PLUME, IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
SO FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, I APPLAUD WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING HERE, UM, FOR TEXAS PLUME AND JUST DON'T SACRIFICE.
GET THE WHOLE 90 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
'CAUSE I, I THINK YOU'RE REALLY GONNA HELP THAT AREA AND GETTING TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF LAKERIDGE AND KEEP THE SPEED LIMIT BELOW 40
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER? SORRY? ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH EIGHT 12.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH EIGHT 12? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, NOT SEE ANYONE APPROACHING, I WILL CLOSE THAT SECTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNSEL, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR ANY DISCUSSIONS.
MAYOR, MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION FOR OH, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SORRY, MARIE.
UM, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY, THAT'S WHY I WAS OKAY.
IT'S PROBABLY MORE FOR STAFF, MAYBE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR.
UM, IF WE, IF WE ADOPT THIS TONIGHT, UM, WILL THE CURRENT APPLICANTS, UH, GOING THROUGH THE CAPITAL FEE PROCESS, WILL THEY BE GRANDFATHERED OR WILL THEY, WILL THIS BE SUNSET? HEY, MS. VINCENT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A POLICY CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL.
UM, THERE IS AN EFFECTIVE DATE SET IN THE ORDINANCE FOR SEPTEMBER ONE.
SO ANY, UM, PROPERTIES COMING FORWARD AFTER THAT DATE WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW, BUT ANYTHING IN THE EXISTING PIPELINE WILL BE A POLICY CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S EXISTING IN REAL TIME, COUNSEL WILL BE MAKING DECISION ON THAT?
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I'M SORRY, I, I I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOU SAYING IT'S A POLICY DECISION OR ARE YOU SAYING IN REAL TIME CASE BY CASE COUNSEL WILL BE MAKING DECISION COUNSEL COULD MAKE THE POLICY DECISION TO APPLY THE CURRENT RATE, UM, GIVEN THAT THEY'RE IN THE QUEUE BASICALLY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.AND THAT'S DECISION FOR TONIGHT? NOT FOR TONIGHT, NO, SIR.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.
THOUGH, I THINK THE WAY WE WOULD INTERPRET IT NOW IS THAT IF IT'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY MADE APPLICATION BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 1ST, THEN IT WOULD BE THE OLD ONE.
IF IT'S AFTER THAT, THEN WE WOULD WANT POLICY CLARIFICATION FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW LONG TO EXTEND IT.
SO IF IT'S SOMEONE WE TALKED TO BUT THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY MADE APPLICATION, I THINK THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION.
AND IT, IT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT SCHEDULE ONE, IT'S, IT'S ASSESSED AT, UM, PLATTING.
AND IT'S CASE BY, UM, WELL BEFORE YOU GO, UM, DIRECTOR BENSON, UM, I GUESS IT'S CASE BY CASE OR IS IT TYPICALLY AN AVERAGE? THAT MEANS, IS IT THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS TO GO FROM, UH, PLANNING TO PERMIT? UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT.
IT'S A TOUGH DECISION FOR US TO TALK ABOUT COUNSEL, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN REAL TIME.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COUNSEL? AS OF RIGHT NOW, UH, THIS WILL TAKE IN EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2024.
UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING, UM, YOU KNOW, APPLICATIONS, UH, WHENEVER WE GET TO THAT AT THAT TIME.
ALRIGHT, I GUESS NO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COUNSEL.
SO THE FLOOR'S OPEN FOR, FOR A MOTION.
I MAYOR, I MAKE A, A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF AN, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH EIGHT 12.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND WE DO HAVE A SECOND.
HEY MARIE, THIS IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH EIGHT 12, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF CEDAR HILL, TEXAS, ADMITTING CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES SECTIONS 18 DASH 64 THROUGH 18 DASH 66.2 CONCERNING IMPACT FEES ADOPTING UPDATED LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, ADOPTING UPDATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS FOR WATER, WASTEWATER AND ROADWAY FACILITIES, ADOPTING A REVISED LAND USE EQUIVALENCY TABLE, ADOPTING REVISED SCHEDULES ONE AND TWO, ADMITTING ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS FOR THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, PROVIDING A FAVORABILITY CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND WE DO HAVE A SECOND.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COUNSEL? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE, UH, DONE TO, UH, GET US CAUGHT UP WITH THE REST OF OUR NEIGHBORS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
[7. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes routine items that may be acted upon with a single vote. Any council member may remove items from the Consent Agenda for separate discussion and consideration.]
ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.THIS INCLUDES ROUTINE ITEMS THAT MAY BE ACTED UPON WITH ONE SINGLE VOTE.
ANY COUNCIL MEMBER MAY REMOVE AN ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, SORRY, SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION.
UM, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO BE REMOVED FROM CONSENT COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO READ THE CONSENT.
UH, ITEMS. ITEM A CONSIDER APPROVING THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 18TH, 2024 SPECIAL CALLED CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
ITEM B, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE A PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH DALLAS COUNTY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, CDBG PROGRAM FOR THE SOMERSET DRIVE SIDEWALK PROJECT COUNSEL, THOSE ARE YOUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THE FLOOR IS OPEN.
COUNSEL, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A AND I DO HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GLOVER, SIR.
AND I DO HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MALONE.
ALL THE FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
BILL A MOTION FROM COUNCILOR MCCURRY.