Jul 26, 2022 City Council Regular Meeting

AND ANCIENT ASHE JUNIPERS WERE PROTECTED FROM PRAIRIE WILDFIRES AND HUMAN PLIES FOR A THOUSAND FEET.

I'VE GOT A FEW REMARKS, BUT YOU'VE STAND HERE.

I'M GOING TO READ A FEW THINGS.

AND, UH, DO YOU HAVE FAMILY WITH YOU? WELL, I, YES, I, AS SUSIE IS WITH ME AND MY, AND MY DAUGHTER, BRENT, AND IS COME UP HERE TO JOEL LOCK TO COME.

I GOT TO FIX THEIR HAIR.

NOW, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE A WHILE, SO I'M REALLY LET ME GET CLOSE TO THIS MICE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE MAYOR FOR COMING AT THIS PRIVILEGE BECAUSE I HAPPENED TO BE VERY, VERY FORTUNATE TO SERVE AS THE CITY MANAGER HERE IN ANOTHER LIFE.

UM, WHEN THIS, UH, WHEN HE WAS EARNING, UH, WHAT WE PRESENT TO HIM TONIGHT, AND I'M GOING TO READ A FEW THINGS ABOUT, UH, THE HERTZ FAMILY, UH, IT'S OUR GREAT IMPACT SERVANT LEADER.

UM, IN 1996, DAVID HURT PURCHASED LAND IN THE WOODED EXCREMENT OF CEDARHILL NEAR MOTLEY ROAD.

WHERE ARE YOU PLANNING TO BUILD A HOME IN 1998 WHILE EXPLORING HIS PROPERTY WITHIN THE FOREST THAT CANNON DAVID DISCOVERED A GROVE OR FLOWERING DOGWOODS, NOT TYPICALLY FINDING IN THE SHALLOW CLAY SOILS OF THIS REGION.

THIS WAS THE FIRST OF MANY RARE PLANT AND ANIMAL DISCOVERIES IN THE CANYON, INCLUDING THE ENDANGERED GOLDEN CHEEK WARBLERS, WHICH HADN'T BEEN IN DALLAS COUNTY FOR DECADES, DAVID PARTNER, WITH A NATIONAL AUDUBON SOCIETY TO PRESERVE THE SPECIAL HABITAT OF THE CANYON.

THIS IS POWERFUL.

HE DONATED 35 ACRES AND LED THE EFFORT TO RAISE MORE THAN $8 MILLION TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL LAND AND ESTABLISH DOGWOOD CANYON AUDUBON CENTER IN 2011.

NOW DOGWOOD CANYON, WHEN NOT THREE ATIVAN CENTERS IN TEXAS IS A SANCTUARY TO THE MOST COLORFUL AND VOCAL SONGBIRDS IN OUR REGION.

THIS CENTER'S 300 ACRES IS HOME TO THE WELL-KNOWN.

IT PAINTED AN INDIGO BUNTINGS RED AND WIDE-EYED BARRIOS BLACK CHAM AND RUBY THROAT HUMMINGBIRDS.

AND TO THE LESSER KNOWN THE WEEK, LOUISIANA WATER THRUSH, COMMA AWARE, AMERICAN WOODSTOCK AND BROAD WING HALL.

THIS LAND IS A UNIQUE CONVERGENCE OF BLACK LAND PRAIRIE, EASTERN CROSS TIMBERS AND TEXAS HILL COUNTRY IN SCARBOROUGH ECOSYSTEMS, VAST COLONIES OF CHOP.

MELIES SEVERAL SPECIES OF NATIVE ORCHIDS, ORCHIDS, AND OTHER NATIVE PLANTS LIKE GREEN DRAGON, TEXAS BUCKEYES, TEXAS MULBERRIES,

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THOUSANDS OF YEARS WITHIN THE CANYON VISITORS ENJOY THE QUIET SOLITUDE AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL THERE OF THE STEEP SLOPE NEAR THE HIGHEST POINT IN DALLAS COUNTY ON THREE MILES OF HIKING TRAILS AND SCENIC OVERLOADS, THE CE DOOLAN VISITORS CENTER INCLUDES A CHILDREN'S NATURE PLAY AREA, ACCESSIBLE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR BIRD VIEWING GIFT, SHOP CLASSROOMS, SPECIAL EVENTS AND PROGRAMS AND CITY COUNCIL HAS ALSO HAD A RETREATS THERE.

SIDE NOTE, 2021, MARK DOGWOOD CANYONS, AUDUBON CENTER, 10TH ANNIVERSARY, AND DAVID CONTINUES TO SERVE ACTIVELY ON THE BOARD.

THE CENTER IS AN IMPORTANT PARTNER IN THE CITY OF CIF, CEDAR HILLS EFFORTS TO PRESERVE OUR NATURAL BEAUTY.

AND I WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR THIS MAINTAIN 25% OF THE CITY'S OPEN SPATES THE CENTER AND ITS LEGACY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE LEADERSHIP AND THE STEWARDSHIP DAVID HEARD.

THANK YOU FOR BEING A GREAT IMPACT SERVANT LEADER.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO GET HIM A I'VE GOT SOMETHING I WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU, AND MAYBE SHE TAKE A PICTURE, BUT I LIKE SURE, COME ON.

OH, UM, WHAT CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE SAID SO MANY THOUSANDS OF TIMES AND SO MANY PEOPLE WHO'VE HEARD IT THAT THEY THEY'RE TIRED OF ME SAYING IT ABOUT WHAT A SPECIAL PLACE THIS IS IN THE WORLD.

IT'S WHERE EAST MEETS WEST.

AND THOSE OF YOU WHO I GREW UP DOWN IN THE EDGE OF THE HILL COUNTRY.

AND WHEN I CAME TO DALLAS, I WAS LOOKING FOR A SPECIAL PLACE THAT KIND OF LOOKED AND FELT LIKE HOME.

AND I GOT SOME TOPOGRAPHY MAPS OUT THAT WAS BEFORE THE INTERNET AND LOOK TO FIND SOME HILLS BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY HILLS AROUND HERE.

AND I FOUND THESE HILLS IN A DEAD END ROAD.

AND I HAD NO IDEA WHERE THAT LITTLE SILLY WHIM TO GET OUT OF THE CITY, WHERE I WORKED AND COME DOWN HERE AND ENJOY SOME NATURE WHERE IT WOULD TAKE US ALL.

IT'S IT TOOK, I WAS ON THE GROUND DOING A LOT OF FUNDRAISING AND STUFF, BUT THIS CITY, ALAN AND GREG, AND, UH, ROBIN, WELL, OF COURSE, UH, MS. HAYDEN, HOW ARE YOU COUNCIL PERSON? I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DIRECTED THAT WAY.

NOW ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND SO LONG THROUGH THIS AND NEWCOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN SO INSTRUMENTAL, RUSSELL LASHONDRA IS HELPING ME WITH STUFF.

I CAN'T SAY IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, WITH A CITY THAN IT.

THEN YOU COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS ELSEWHERE.

I DON'T REALLY, I DON'T THINK Y'ALL REALIZE HOW VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE IT WOULD BE FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO START WITH A LITTLE IDEA IN ANOTHER PLACE, IT WOULD NOT COME TRUE.

MOST LIKELY THIS PLACE IS A SPECIAL PLACE.

IT'S A CONVERGENCE OF HABITATS OF EAST AND WEST.

IT'S A CONVERGENCE OF PEOPLE.

IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE A PLACE, THE AMERICA I ENVISION, I LOVE IT.

I LOVE THE DIVERSITY OF OUR CANYON.

I LOVE THE DIVERSITY OF THIS CITY.

I'M GRATEFUL FOR THIS MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW.

I WILL TAKE IT TO MY GRAVE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND I WANT TO YOU TO KNOW THAT I WAS IN AN ESTATE SALE YEARS AGO AND THIS LITTLE THING WAS 50 CENTS.

AND NO ONE ELSE OF COURSE WOULD BUY A 50 CENT PIECE OF THIS.

AND IT SAID, CITY OF TREES.

AND I BOUGHT IT SO THAT I COULD, I COULD GIVE IT TO THEM HERE AND SAY, NO.

THE REAL CITY OF TREES IS THE CITY OF CEDAR HILL.

I WANT THIS RENAMED SO THAT THE CITY HAS A BROCHURE.

THAT'S CALLED THE CITY OF TREES.

CAUSE Y'ALL ARE OUT TO SAVE 25% OF THIS LAND.

IT MEANS THE WORLD TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE A PERMANENT HOME IN A PLACE.

THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF CITY WHERE PEOPLE COME MAKE THEIR LIVING AND LEAVE.

THIS IS THE KIND OF CITY WHERE PEOPLE COME AND RAISE FAMILIES AND STAY IN.

IT'S BECAUSE OF YOUR VISION.

ALL OF YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND I SO THANKFUL FOR THIS.

NEXT WE'LL, UH, CONTINUE WITH, UH, PRESENTATIONS.

YOU'RE JUST FIGHTING FOR THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF YOUR VISION AND THE REDO APPRECIATE THE GREAT IMPACT THAT YOU HAVE DONE.

SO, UM,

[a. Presentation of the GFOA Distinguished Budget Presentation Award for Fiscal Year 2022.]

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WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE PRESENTATION OF THE GF.

OH, A DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022.

AND IS THIS PRESENTED BY A FINANCE DIRECTOR? COME ON, MS. PARIS GREETINGS FROM THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

I'M CHRIS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

IT'S MY HONOR TO RECOGNIZE YOU FOR RECEIVING THE DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD.

THE PURPOSES OF THIS AWARD PROGRAM IS TO ENCOURAGE AND ASSIST GOVERNANCE, TO PREPARE COMPREHENSIVE AND UNDERSTANDABLE BUDGET DOCUMENTS THAT WE BELIEVE WILL BOTH IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY AND TRUST IN GOVERNMENT TO EARN THE DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD.

YOU MET DEMANDING PROGRAM CRITERIA, SUCH A RECORD, REFLECTS THE PROFESSIONALISM, COMMITMENT, AND DEDICATION OF YOUR ORGANIZATION'S LEADERS AND FINANCE TEAM.

WE HOPE THAT THIS AWARD WILL SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO STRIVE FOR THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS AND THEIR OWN BUDGET DOCUMENTS.

THEREFORE IT IS MY PRIVILEGE ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD.

CONGRATULATIONS.

YEAH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND JUST SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE TONIGHT, AS WE ALL ACCEPT THIS AWARD FOR OUR, UM, BUDGET FOR OUR 2022 DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD.

AND THIS REALLY IS JUST AN EFFORT, A GROUP EFFORT BY THE ENTIRE CITY.

IT REALLY BEGINS WITH YOU ALL SETTING OUR POLICY AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IN THE BEGINNING AND OUR CITY ADMINISTRATION, MR. PORTER, GIVEN US THAT OPERATIONAL PLAN AND MELISSA, AND THEN ALSO OUR DEPARTMENTS ALL GETTING TOGETHER AND DETERMINING WHAT ACTIONS NEED TO BE TAKEN AND ASSOCIATING THOSE DOLLARS, UM, WITH THOSE ACTIONS.

SO GROUP EFFORT, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, AND ALSO JUST IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THAT IS OUR AWESOME FINANCE TEAM, UM, PROVIDING INFORMATION, RECEIVING INFORMATION, COMPILING INFORMATION, AND, UM, ULTIMATELY ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER THIS BOOK THAT REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE CITY AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET BOOK FOR 20 OR THE ADOPTED BUDGET BOOK FOR 2022 IS AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR, FOR ALL TO VIEW.

SO PLEASE CHECK IT OUT UNDER THE FINANCE PAGE.

AND WE ARE NOW CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE PROPOSED 20, 23, UM, CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET COMING UP AND HOPE TO HAVE THAT OUT ON THE WEBSITE SOON.

SO I WOULD ALSO, IF YOU DON'T MIND LIKE TO PULL UP THE FINANCE TEAM, THEY CAME HERE TONIGHT, UM, AND JUST TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND THEIR HARD WORK AND EFFORTS ALSO, SO THEY COULD COME UP AND JOIN ME AND MARIE WATTS.

SHE'S OUR, UM, PSEUDO FINANCE PERSON AND HELPS US THROUGH THIS, UH, BUDGET PROCESS ALSO, UM, SPECIAL, THANKS TO THE T'FILA COLEMAN, OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR, WHO REALLY LEADS OUR TEAM THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

AND ALSO THE, UM, PREPARATION OF THE BUDGET WE'VE ALSO GOT HERE.

UM, GREG PURVIS, MURRAY WADS, RON CULVERSON, JOSE VINAY GUYS, UM, LAUREN MCCARTY AND SUSAN SHIN, OUR, OUR FINANCE TEAM.

SO THANK YOU ALL EXCITED TO RECEIVE THIS WORD, MS. PETTIS, UM, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE FLAVOR TO IT.

I'M CURIOUS WHO ALL PARTICIPATES ARE, WHO ALL IS ELIGIBLE TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THIS, UH, THIS AWARD, THIS AWARD IS ACTUALLY, UM, IN ANY CITY CAN APPLY FOR THE AWARD IT'S THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

AND THERE ARE CRITERIA IT'S PAGES AND PAGES.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ABOUT 60 LINES OF CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE MET IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD.

AND YEAR AFTER YEAR, YOU CAN'T COME WITH THE SAME BOOK YEAR AFTER YEAR.

THEY, THEY, THEY ADD TO IT AND THEY WANT YOU TO IMPROVE.

AND SO EVERY YEAR THE CITY HAS IMPROVED YEAR OVER YEAR AND PROVIDED NEW INFORMATION.

AND THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS RECEIVED THIS AWARD FOR 22 YEARS.

SO AWESOME ACHIEVEMENT.

RIGHT.

THAT'S GREAT.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, PRESENTATION RECOGNIZE THE CEDAR HILL RESIDENT, UH, ALIVIA DIRE AND DEBRA, UH, OH, YET.

[b. Recognize Cedar Hill residents Olivia Dyer and Deborah Oyawe, recipients of the 2022 Waste Management Scholarships.]

OH, YOUR WAY.

OH, YOU, OH, YOUR WAY.

AND RECIPIENTS OF 2022 WASTE MINUTES, MS. SCHOLARSHIP, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND POSTPONE THAT PRESENTATION FOR A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THEREFORE

[6. Citizens Forum/Public Comments. Citizens wishing to speak during this time should submit a Speaker Request Form to the City Secretary before the meeting begins. Public comments may also be submitted online at: cedarhilltx.com/publiccomment. All public comments submitted online by 4pm on City Council meeting dates will be distributed to the City Council and entered into record. ]

THE NEXT ITEM IS CITIZENS PUBLIC, UH, UH, COMMENTS.

AND I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT BEFORE ME COUNCIL, AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY ONLINE, UH, BUT ALLOW ME TO PREFACE, UH, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING COMING UP.

SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN, UM, YOU

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DON'T NEED TO FILL OUT A FORM FOR THE CITIZENS FORUM.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO HAVE ONE FORM HERE FOR CAROLYN AND WALKER AND TOPIC IS AFFORDABLE, SENIOR HOUSING.

UM, CAROLYN IS THAT FOR THE NEXT TOPIC? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZENS BUSINESS SPEAK FOR COUNCIL? ALL

[a. Case No. PD-435-2022 – Conduct a public hearing and consider an application for a change in zoning from “LR” (Local Retail District) to “PD” (Planned Development District) including retirement housing, retail, restaurant, and mini-warehouse/self-storage uses on approximately 14.38 acres, generally located on the northwest corner of East Wintergreen Road and Highway 67, with the approximate address being in the 1400 Block of North J. Elmer Weaver Freeway. Representatives: Dallas Cothrum and Trenton Robertson, Masterplan. Applicant: Nicholas Balsamo, Kalterra. Property Owners: Winter Cedar 6, LLC and E&D Investments.]

RIGHT, WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS PUBLIC HEARING, CASE NUMBER PD 4 3, 5, 2020 TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM LR LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, INCLUDING RETIREMENT HOUSING, RETAIL RESTAURANT, AND MINI WAREHOUSE SELF STORAGE USES ON APPROXIMATELY 14.38 ACRES, JIMMY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EAST WINTER GREEN ROAD AND HIGHWAY 67 WITH THE APPROXIMATE ADDRESS BEING IN THE 1400 BLOCK OF NORTH J M OR WEAVER FREEWAY REPRESENTATIVES THAT HAS COPIED THEM AND TRENTON, UH, ROBERTSON, UH, MASTER PLAN APPLICANT, NICHOLAS, UM, WHILE SOMO KATERA, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, WINTERS CEDAR SIX, LLC, N E N D INVESTMENTS WITH THAT.

DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TODAY? OH, THANK YOU.

I WAS HIDING BEHIND THE SKY.

DIDN'T SEE YOU.

SHE CAN'T SAY THAT CAUSE MY EYES SO.

SURE.

UH, WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT BEFORE IT GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING? YES.

WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION, I'LL SAY THAT DIRECTLY TO IT, BUT WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO THE SOUTHWEST AND OTHER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.

MY NAME IS JOHN ROBERTSON WITH MASTER PLAN LOOKING AT 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS I C SUITE 2 0 80.

UM, IT'S NOT MOVING OVER ONE SECOND.

IT MAKES SURE WE GET YOU RECORDED HERE.

OH, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

UM, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY IS WHAT MASTER PLANS KNOWN FOR IS KNOWN FOR DEVELOPMENTS ALL ACROSS TEXAS.

WE'VE WORKED IN OVER 250 DIFFERENT CITIES.

UM, WE'VE DONE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.

WE'VE DONE MANY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS.

WE PARTNER WITH HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPERS ABOUT BRINGING GREAT DEVELOPMENTS INTO CITIES.

UM, WE'RE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS WE BRING THE CITIES ON.

THE REASON WHY WE ARE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS IS WE WANT A HIGH QUALITY OF DESIGN.

UM, THAT WILL LAST FOR YEARS.

UH, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE DONE OR THAT YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH OUR VICTORY PARK IN DALLAS, UM, PRESTON HALL PLAZA, UM, OTHER ONES, THE UNION, ALL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONTAINS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USES RESIDENTIAL RETAIL RESTAURANTS.

SO WE REALLY UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY THAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS CAN HAVE IN A COMMUNITY ON THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, UM, IS ON, UH, HIGHWAY 67 AND WINTERGREEN IT'S ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THAT APPROXIMATELY, UH, 14 ACRES, UM, BY A RIOT WITH CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS FOR IT TO DO.

AND THE LOCAL RETAIL DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR AN OFFICE.

BUILDING OF SIX STORIES ALLOWS FOR ENTERTAINMENT USES.

IT ALLOWS FOR A RETAIL GROCERY DAYCARES, AND WHAT'S GOING TO OFFICES.

UM, THE SETBACKS, UH, ON THE SITE BY A RIGHT WOULD BE A 20 FOOT MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENT.

UM, WHEN WE CAME TO THE SIDE, THERE THERE'S VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT.

WE LOOK AT WHEN WE DEVELOP THE SITE, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS? HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B? HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE ENSURE A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT COMES INTO THIS? WE HAVE QUALITY, QUALITY TENANTS, UM, QUALITY PARTNERS INVOLVED.

SO THERE'S VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT.

UH, ANOTHER THING WE DO IS WE REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, WE REACH OUT, UM, WE TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS AND IN DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO DID ON THIS SITE AS WE WENT TO DEVELOP THE SITE.

AND SOME OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS, IS ONE IT'S AN ODD SHAPED SITE.

UM, THERE'S LIMITED INGRESS EGRESS OFF OF WINTERGREEN LIMITED INGRESS EGRESS OFF OF HIGHWAY 67 SERVICE ROAD.

UM, THE DRAINAGE ON THE SITE GOES DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE.

SO IN ORDER TO HAVE A USABLE SITE, UM, ALL THE ATTENTION HAS TO GO UNDERGROUND.

AND, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING OPEN, UM, THERE'S OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS A, I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO REALLY EXPLAIN THE GRAVEL, SAND LANDSCAPING, UM, SOMETHING YARD BUSINESS.

UM, THAT'S HOW I, I THINK IT'S CALLED AWAN, UM, SOIL OR AWAL ME.

I APOLOGIZE.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE BUSINESS, UM, TO THE NORTH.

WE HAVE WATER TOWERS, UH, LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF US, UH, TO THE SOUTH.

WE HAVE A HOTEL, THERE'S A MORTUARY, THERE'S A RESTAURANT, THERE'S A CIGAR LOUNGE.

UM, AND TO THE WEST OF US, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

SO WITH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS IN MIND, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DESIGN FOR.

UM, WE REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.

UM, WE DO HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS HERE, UM,

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UM, ONE THING THAT WE BROUGHT TO THEM, WE, WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT ENTERTAINMENT USES.

UM, WE TOLD THEM, UH, WHAT OUR VISION WAS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING, UM, SENIOR LIVING.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN WAS THEY WANTED LESS TRAFFIC HOME WINTERGREEN.

THEY WANTED, UM, NO NOISE.

UM, THEY DON'T WANT, UH, THEY WANTED SOMETHING MORE QUIET.

AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THAT WHEN WE CAME TO THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, HERE'S THE ONE'S GOING TO WAS USED AS I, UH, WHEN WE CAME TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT USES WE COULD PROVIDE THAT WOULD NOT ONLY BE EQUITABLE FOR US, BUT ALSO HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND CEDAR HILL CITYWIDE.

UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A SENIOR LIVING COMPLEX, UH, SENIOR LIVING, UH, UH, UM, PUBLIC STORAGE ON HIGHWAY 67 AND THREE RETAIL RESTAURANT PAD SITES.

IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITHOUT THE RETAIL OR WITHOUT THE SENIOR LIVING PUBLIC STORAGE, YOU GET A LOT MORE ENTERTAINMENT USES ON THERE.

THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE A LOT HIGHER.

YOU GET A LOT MORE PAD SITES BY, I DO RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH.

SO YOUR TYPICAL MCDONALD'S A BURGER KING.

TALK ABOUT THOSE.

THOSE ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT TODAY.

AND WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT, UM, STAFF MADE A RECOMMENDATION OR THEY PUT CERTAIN, UH, CONDITIONS ON THE USE THAT, UM, CERTAIN THINGS ARE TIED TO THE SENIOR LIVING AND POST STORAGE ARE TIED TO WHEN THE RETAIL PAD SITES ARE RETAIL, RESTAURANT PAD SITES ARE CREATED.

UM, WE'RE LIMITED ON THE NUMBER OF DRIVE-THROUGHS.

WE CAN HAVE ONE THING.

WE DON'T WANT YOUR TYPICAL RESTAURANT, A FAST FOOD CHAIN RESTAURANT, OH, WE WANT A NICER RESTAURANTS, HIGHER QUALITY RESTAURANTS.

WE WANT TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GO TO A PLACE THAT YOU CAN BRING YOUR FAMILY AND STILL HAVE A, QUITE AN ENVIRONMENT.

UH, WITH THAT, WITH THESE CHALLENGES, I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE HAVE HIGHWAY 67.

UM, WE WORKED AT TRYING TO GET, UM, SENIOR LIVING STORAGE, THESE PAD SITES.

AND THE REASON WHY WE CHOSE STORAGE IS IT'S A NICE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THE WATER TOWERS THAT, UM, LANDSCAPING ENTITY OR BUSINESS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, THEY ARE.

UM, IT'S, IT ACTS AS A BUFFER, UH, THERE'S LOW TRAFFIC WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC STORAGE AND WITH PUBLIC STORAGE, THEY REQUIRE A LOT LESS, UM, THEY THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MODEL.

IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL PUBLIC STORAGE THAT YOU IMAGINE WHAT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, IT'S ALL ENCLOSED ALL INSIDE.

IT'S ALL AIR CONDITIONED SPACE.

UM, IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL STORAGE FACILITIES.

UH, HERE'S THE ONCE AGAIN, A COMPARISON OF WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE LR DISTRICT COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING AND ALSO TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE NUMBER OF TRIPS PER DAY, THAT EACH ONE OF THESE USES WOULD, WOULD PERMIT.

UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE, JUST KIND OF A MORE BREAKDOWN, UM, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO OR NAME OF WORST CASE SCENARIO.

IF WE PUT A SMALLER MOVIE THEATER ENTERTAINMENT VENUE ON THERE, SOME RESTAURANT PAD SIZE, YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL MCDONALD'S DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS.

UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT A MINIMUM 27,000 TRIPS A DAY COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 9,000 TRIPS A DAY.

AND THAT'S BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE ON THOSE NUMBERS AND WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE.

WE ACTUALLY THINK IT'D BE A LOT LESS WITH THE SELF STORAGE AT THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DRIVEN IT THERE.

THIS REALLY IS NOT A TRAFFIC, UM, INSTIGATOR, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS WANTED.

THEY DIDN'T WANT A HIGH TRAFFIC DEVELOPMENT ON HERE'S WITH OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE, UM, A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR THE TYPES OF USES.

WE'RE BRINGING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF JOBS ON THE TAXABLE VALUE.

WE'LL BRING ON HERE'S THE AVERAGE WAGES.

ONCE AGAIN, WE WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE ON THAT.

UM, THE, WHAT WE ASSUME IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT THIS WOULD COST TAX BASE FOR BOTH, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY JUST OFF HAVING THREE PADS, SIZE, PUBLIC STORAGE, AND THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY.

UM, RIGHT NOW WITHIN, UH, WE, WE LOOKED AT BASED OFF OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM STAFF.

UM, WE WANT TO SHOW WHAT'S CURRENTLY AROUND, UM, CEDAR HILL.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE PRESENTED TO STAFF THE DESIGN UP TO UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OR UP ON THE NORTH OF THIS IMAGE, THE, THE TOP OF THIS IMAGE, I GUESS THAT'S NOT A GEOGRAPHICAL DIRECTION.

I APOLOGIZE.

UM, WE SHOW THAT THE STAFF, UM, RIGHT AWAY, THEY HAD A VISION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE WITH CEDAR HILL.

THEY WANT HIGH-QUALITY

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DESIGN.

THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

WE WANT A PARTNERSHIP WITH CEDAR HILL.

WE WANT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOUR TYPICAL STORAGE.

I MISS THE LOCATION TO THE SOUTH IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING.

WE AMENDED OUR DESIGN OR BRINGING THE DESIGN TO THE SOUTH.

IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL DESIGN.

IT'S LIMITED ON SIGNAGE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ORANGE PLASTERED ALL OVER IT.

DOESN'T HAVE PUBLIC STORAGE, PLASTERED ALL OVER.

THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS IT'S DESIGNED TO THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE.

IT'S A COMPLETE DIFFERENCE WITH WHAT YOU TYPICALLY ASSUME, ANY KIND OF STORAGE UNITS, UH, RIGHT NOW THROUGHOUT CEDAR HILL AND EVEN OUTSIDE OF CEDAR HILL, HERE'S THE TYPICAL, UH, STORAGE UNITS.

NOW THEY HAVE, UH, MOST OF THEM ARE OUTSIDE GARAGE, PULL UP DOORS THAT YOU WOULD VISIT.

UM, WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR STUDIES AND WHAT PUBLIC STORAGE SPENT IN THEIR STUDIES IS THAT THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF WHO USES THESE STORAGE UNITS HAVE CHANGED.

IT'S CHANGED WHERE IT IS NOW.

UM, MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN WHO TEND TO USE IT MORE.

AS PEOPLE CONTINUE TO PURCHASE AND HAVE MORE IN THEIR HOMES, THEY LOOK TO PUBLIC STORAGE, PUT THEIR ITEMS IN IT.

UM, ONE THING THAT PUBLIC STORAGE IS AVOIDING.

THEY'RE AVOIDING INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

NOW THEY DON'T WANT TO BE INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

THEY WANT TO CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE THEIR DEMOGRAPHIC HAS CHANGED.

THEY WANT SOMEWHERE WHERE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE COMING TO, UH, DURING THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION ON THIS IS ALL UNDER, UH, CO UH, IT'S, IT'S ALL UNDER, THERE'S A LOT OF SECURITY WITH PUBLIC STORAGE.

THEY KEEP LOGS OF WHO COMES AND GOES.

THEY KEEP HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, A LOT DIFFERENT ON THE STYLE THAN WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE AND IN A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S NO OTHER LOCATION LIKE THIS IN CEDAR HILL OR THE SURROUNDING AREA.

UM, HERE'S, UH, HERE'S THE, UH, LOCATION THAT I SHOWED YOU THAT WHERE THE DESIGN THAT STAFF FOUND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN SHOWING THAT THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH PUBLIC STORAGE, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THEY'RE NOT LOCATED IN INDUSTRIAL.

ALL THOSE RED AREAS ARE RETAIL SPACES.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

SO THERE'S A CONSISTENT PATTERN OF WHAT, WHERE YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE BRAND NEW PUBLIC STORAGE BUILDINGS BE BUILT AND WHERE THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED.

I HEAR SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, EXAMPLES, UH, PLANO DALLAS OF WHERE THEIR PUBLIC STORAGE.

IT'S THE LIGHT BLUE, WHERE THEY'RE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL.

ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT.

UM, THE UNIVERSITY PARK LOCATION, UH, THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT THAT IN IT'S A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY'RE LIMITED ON LAND.

THERE'S AN IRREGULAR SHAPE PLOT, AND WE STORE IS, WAS ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND FIGURE A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.

THERE'S CLOSE TO THAT, UM, ON UNIVERSITY PARK, CLOSER UP TO THE IMAGE.

SO GOING BACK TO THE, GOING TO THOSE RETAIL PAD SITES AND RESTAURANT PAD SITES, THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THAT WE'VE DONE OTHER BUSINESSES WITH THAT WE'VE DONE OTHER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

THESE ARE THE TYPE OF USERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

UM, HIGH-END NOT YOUR TYPICAL RESTAURANT THAT YOU'D SEE IN EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY, MORE OF THESE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE IN THESE DESTINATION LOCATIONS.

UM, I WAS A FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR OF THE CITY OF MIDLOTHIAN.

WE HAVE PRETTY HIGH STANDARDS.

UM, ONE THING I WILL SAY IS ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT CAL CALDERA, WHICH WE DO HAVE REPRESENTED WITH CAL TARA TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT MORE, IS THAT WHEN I DID MY RESEARCH AT CAL TARA AND EVEN WORKING WITH HIM NOW, THEY DESIGN PER THE LOCATION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO.

IT'S NOT A COOKIE CUTTER DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S NOT COOKIE CUTTER DESIGN FOR EVERY CITY THAT THEY GO TO.

IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

UM, WHEN THEY CAME INTO THE BUILDING, THEY BROUGHT A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, GREAT DESIGN.

IT WAS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND I WILL SAY, UM, WE WERE NEVER OFFERED SENIOR LIVING.

UM, WE WOULD'VE TAKEN A HEARTBEAT, UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC ON WHO THEY BRING SENIOR LIVING TO.

THEY'VE DONE THEIR STUDIES, THEY'VE DONE THEIR RESEARCH.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THEY WANT TO BRING HIGH QUALITY SENIOR LIVING BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THIS MARKET IS IN NEED OF IT AS WELL.

AND I'D LIKE TO GO AND TURN IT OVER TO CLINICAL AND WITH CALDERA TO BE ABLE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE SPECIFICS ON THE SENIOR LIVING MIGUEL THERE, UH, GOOD EVENING, CLINTON NOLAN, CALDERA, CAPITAL PARTNERS, 1701 NORTH MARKET STREET, SUITE 3 25, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 2 0 2.

UH, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ON BEHALF OF OUR COMPANY ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT.

AND OBVIOUSLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, UH, BY TRENTON.

UH, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY IS ALWAYS TO, TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU PRESENTING OUR PROJECTS.

WE DON'T GET TO DO WHAT WE DO WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS TRYING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WE VERY MUCH LIKE, UH, THE, THE PROJECT WE, UM,

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GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS PREVIOUS LIVE, THESE ARE ALL RETAIL STRIP CENTERS THAT, THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED.

UM, BUT WE'RE PRIMARILY A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER.

WE'RE PRIMARILY A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER.

THE MAJORITY OF THE MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY THAT WE DEVELOP IS CONVENTIONAL MULTI-FAMILY.

UM, BUT WE DO ALSO DO WHAT'S CALLED ACTIVE ADULT, WHICH IS AGE RESTRICTED, 55 AND OLDER MULTI-FAMILY.

UM, WE HAVE A PROJECT CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WALKS APACHE 175 UNITS.

I'M VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, VERY PROUD ABOUT IT ARE PROUD OF IT.

AND, UM, AS WE ARE THIS ONE, UM, WHEN WE, YOU JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THEM.

AND I THINK THE REASON WE'VE HAD SUCCESS IS AS TRENTON POINTED OUT, UM, WE, WE, DON'T LIKE TO BE REACTIVE WITH CITIES.

WE DON'T WANT TO COME IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL AND SURPRISE YOU WITH THE PROJECT ASKING FOR SOMETHING.

UH, AND YOU'VE NEVER SEEN US.

YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THE PROJECT.

YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF, WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR.

WE'D LIKE TO GET, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AHEAD OF IT.

AND LIKE TRENT SAID, MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MEET WITH CITY STAFF, UM, AND, AND WORK THROUGH AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY AND A WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAKE WORK.

UH, WE'VE DONE THAT HERE.

UH, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH MANY, MANY ITERATIONS OF THE SITE PLAN.

UH THERE'S AS, AS IS TYPICAL IN A PD, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REMAIN EXCITED ABOUT THE SITE AND EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.

UH, THE ONE THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT WE DID.

AND, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW IN KYLE, TEXAS.

UM, THIS MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE, TO YOUR, I GUESS, SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE PLAN, THERE IS A 266 UNIT, UH, CONVENTIONAL MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, UH, FLANKED BY, UH, RESTAURANTS WHEN WE GOT THE PD PUT IN PLACE.

UM, IT WAS ALL RETAIL ZONING ALONG.

UM, THE I, UH, HIGHWAY I 35 FRONTAGE, AND THEN ALONG KOHLER'S CROSSING, UM, BEFORE WE COULD EVEN, UM, BREAK GROUND, WE HAD A LOT OF EXCITEMENT AND INTEREST FROM, UH, RETAIL USERS.

UH, WE WERE VERY EXCITED TO LOCK DOWN ZAXBY'S, UH, MIGHTY FINE.

RUDY'S TONY C'S AND ROSE'S CAFE.

AND AS I SAID, THAT PROJECT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY.

UM, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES.

THESE ARE ACTUAL, UH, RENDERINGS WITH ACTUAL FINISHES OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UM, AS TRENTON POINTED OUT, UH, WE'RE HIGH DESIGN FOCUS, UH, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, W WE, WE DON'T BUILD QUOTE UNQUOTE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, WE FOCUS ON CLASS, A LUXURY, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, SOME REPRESENTATIVES, UH, THE, THE ONE AT THE TOP IS THE PROJECT WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN WAXAHACHIE.

THAT'S AN ACTIVE ADULT, UH, LIKE THIS ONE, UH, THE, THE MIDDLE PHOTO IS A, UH, CONVENTIONAL MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.

THAT'S PART OF A 55 ACRE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN GRAND PRAIRIE AT, UH, HIGHWAY 1 61 AND FORUM, UH, SIMILAR TO OUR KYLE TEXAS PROJECT, AS SOON AS WE BEGAN TURNING DIRT.

UM, WE GOT EXCELLENT INTEREST, UH, ON ALL OF OUR RETAIL PADS, THAT FRONT 1 61.

AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, TO PLANNING AND ZONING, WE HAVE A SIGNED LETTER OF INTENT.

I CAN'T UNFORTUNATELY TELL YOU IT IS, BUT A VERY EXCITING ENTERTAINMENT USE.

THAT'S GOING TO GO ON THAT 55 ACRE DEVELOPMENT AND FURTHER DRIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY, THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UH, ALL OF THESE ARE SHOWING US THE SENIOR HOUSING, SORRY, JUST THE, JUST THE ONE AT THE TOP, BUT THESE ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED.

AND THEN FINALLY AT THE BOTTOM IS A, A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT THAT, UM, WE'VE JUST COMPLETED DESIGN ON AT PRINCETON.

AND, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN THE ENTITLEMENTS TO DO THAT PROJECT IN PRINCETON.

UM, SO, UH, A CONCERN THAT, UH, HAS, HAS COME UP AND WE FULLY UNDERSTAND, UH, AND WHICH IS THE RE THE DRIVER BEHIND THIS SITE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY.

SO, UH, THIS IS A SLIDE THAT WE HAD SHOWN AT PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, SINCE PLANNING AND ZONING.

UH, WE, WE TOOK A DRONE OUT, UM, FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR PROPERTY SIDE AND BASICALLY PUT IT ON THE, ON THE, I GUESS, PLAN SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.

AND, UH, TRIED TO TAKE IT UP TO 27 FEET.

UH, WE WERE STILL IN THE TREES AT 27 FEET.

SO WE WENT, AND THE REASON BY THE WAY WE SAY 27 FEET IS BECAUSE WITH TWO, NINE FOOT, UH, YOU KNOW, NINE FOOT STORIES, UH, PLUS YOUR FLOOR SYSTEMS IN BETWEEN AT 18 INCHES EACH PLUS LET'S SAY A SIX FOOT, UH, PERSON SITTING ON A THIRD FLOOR BALCONY.

THEIR EYE IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 27 FEET.

WE WENT 10 FEET ABOVE THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TO, TO GET ABOVE THE TREES, AND THIS WAS 110 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND, UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE LITTLE DRONE SURROUNDED, A RED SHOWS YOU WHERE WE WERE ON THE PROPERTY

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WHEN WE TOOK THE DRONE UP.

AND, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE NEAREST, SINGLE FAMILY HOME SITS, UM, AS IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT PART OF THIS PART OF WORKING WITH THE CD.

I'M SORRY, THE CITY ON THE SITE PLAN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN, UH, THE TREES THAT YOU SEE THERE AT THE SOUTH AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.

WE'RE ALSO INSTALLING A SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL, THE ENTIRE WESTERN PERIMETER OF THE MULTI-FAMILY SITE.

UM, AND THEN HERE IS A PHOTO AT 37 FEET TALL, UH, FROM WHERE YOU SAW IN THAT, THAT PHOTO, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE.

UH, AND AS I POINTED OUT IN THE NOTES, THIS IS ABOUT, THIS IS ABOUT 10 FEET ABOVE EYE LEVEL.

MY NAME IS CAROLYN ANN WALKER.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD.

UH, I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, I'LL FINISH BY SAYING, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.

THIS IS A MIXED USE PROJECT AS IT'S BEEN REFERRED TO.

IT'S NOT A, UM, 25 OR EVEN 50, YOU KNOW, 55 ACRE MIXED USE PROJECT.

THIS IS A 14 ACRE MIXED USE PROJECT.

THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, PUSHING AND PULLING AND PLAYING SORT OF WITH THE LEGO'S AS I REFER TO IT THAT YOU CAN DO ON A, ON A SMALL, ON COMPLICATED SHAKE SITE LIKE THIS.

BUT WE, UH, WE FEEL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE USES THAT WE HAVE.

WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DEVELOP THIS SITE WITH THESE USES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WILL BE AN OVERALL, UH, GREAT PROJECT.

UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING, PROPOSING A USE THAT IS, UH, I GUESS, HALF THE HEIGHT OF WHAT COULD GO THERE, UH, SET FURTHER OFF THE PROPERTY LINE THAN WHAT COULD GO THERE THAT HAS A 300% REDUCTION IN POTENTIAL TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACT TO THE SITE.

AND THAT AGAIN, WE THINK BRINGS, UH, HIGH-QUALITY USES, UH, I REALLY LIKED THE COMMENT THAT MR HURT POINTED OUT TODAY ABOUT CEDAR HILL AND THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COME TO, TO LIVE AND STAY.

UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THESE COMMUNITIES ARE EXCELLENT FOR THAT.

AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A VERY NECESSARY TYPE OF PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY FOR, FOR SOMEONE.

I HAD A CALL YESTERDAY, UH, FROM A, UM, A LADY NAMED LYNETTE AND WALKS TO HATCHI.

HER AND HER HUSBAND HAD MOVED FROM RICHMOND TO BOX A HATCHET TO BE CLOSE TO THEIR KIDS.

UH, AND THEY BOUGHT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A COMMUNITY CALLED GARDEN VALLEY RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR ACTIVE ADULT PROPERTY.

AND THEY WERE VERY EXCITED TO BE THERE, BUT THEY REALIZED PRETTY QUICKLY THAT THAT HOME WAS MORE THAN THEY NEED.

IT WAS MORE MAINTENANCE THAN THEY WANTED.

THEY WANTED TO STAY CLOSE TO THEIR KIDS, WHICH LIVED IN SINGLE, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, WHICH LIVED IN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING NEAR, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR THE SCHOOLS.

UM, BUT THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT THE MAINTENANCE.

AND THEY WERE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THE HAMILTON, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ARE INTERESTED IN LEASING A UNIT.

THERE.

WE THINK THAT THERE IS A STRONG DEMAND FOR THAT, THAT TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL AND THOSE TYPES OF FAMILIES WHO WANT A LOW MAINTENANCE, A PLACE TO LIVE THAT GIVES THEM AN OPTION TO LIVE CLOSE TO THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT FOR QUESTIONS.

PERFECT.

WELL, BEFORE WE BEGIN TO QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THEN IF COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE WILL ASK FOR YOU TO COME BACK UP.

SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR TO CASE NUMBER PD 4, 3, 5, 2022.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR TO CASE NUMBER PD 4, 3, 5, 2022.

THERE'LL BE SIGN NOW, GOOD EVENING.

YOU WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, UM, DO ME OR MASON CITY COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING.

I LIVE AT EIGHT 13 APPLEWOOD DRIVE, CEDAR HILL, TEXAS AS A SENIOR, I STAND IN FAVOR OF ADDITIONAL SENIOR HOUSING.

I REVIEWED THE INFORMATION PROVIDED REGARDING THE ZONE REZONING, AND I LISTENED TO THE PRESENTATION.

AND, UM, I HEARD IT A LITTLE BIT.

WHEN I THINK I HEARD ONE TIME AS AN ADVOCATE OF SENIORS, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE WORDS AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING IN CEDAR HILL, IN CEDAR HILL.

WE RECOGNIZE CITIZENS WHO ARE 55 PLUS AS SENIORS.

THE TEXAS POPULATION THAT IS OVER 60 IS GROWING THE US CENSUS BUREAU ESTIMATES THAT MORE THAN 20% OF TEXANS POPULATION WILL BE OVER 60 BY THE YEAR OF 2030.

THAT'S AN INCREASE OF CLOSE TO 25% OVER 2012 AS AN INSURANCE BROKER, SERVING SENIORS.

I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE A MONTHLY INCOME OF LESS THAN $1,000 A MONTH.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR MEDICATIONS THAT COST 200 TO 700, OVER $700 FOR ONE PRESCRIPTION FOR A 30 DAY SUPPLY.

NOW, I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION HERE.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO CUT THEIR DOSE IN HALF

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IT'S.

IT IS MEDICATION, THE FOOD AND HOUSING, WHICH DO THEY CHOOSE.

WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE CEO OF HOUSING IN CEDAR HILL RUN APPROXIMATELY FROM $1,225 TO APPROXIMATELY $272,700.

THAT'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY, BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOW INCOME STATUS, I HOPE THAT IF THIS PROJECT PROCEEDS, IT WILL END WITH AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING IN CEDAR HILL.

YOUR SENIOR ZONING DISTRICT, THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT'S ALLOWED FOR MULTI-FAMILIES 18 UNITS PER ACRE, THIS ONE IS 29 UNITS PER ACRE.

AND, UH, MS. WALKER, IF YOU COULD, UH, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR AGAINST IT? YOU'RE IN FAVOR.

ANYONE ELSE? WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR TO CASE NUMBER PD 4 3, 5, 2022.

LISTEN TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, RIGHT? LET'S SEE ANYONE APPROACH.

I WILL CLOSE THAT PORTION.

YOU DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER OF PD 4 3, 5, 2022.

ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER PD 4 3, 5, 2022, PLEASE COME ON DOWN, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

UM, MY NAME IS JOHN DANES.

UM, I LIVE AT 10 30, 10 46 SHERMAN DRIVE.

UH, IT'S MY PROPERTY THAT IS ACTUALLY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.

AND THAT IS WHY I, UH, POSE, UH, WHAT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, DONE.

UH, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE ON MY PROPERTY AND LOW OVERLOOKING MY POSSIBILITY OF OVERLOOKING MY, MY HOUSE AND MY BACKYARD AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I DIDN'T PURCHASE THAT PLACE WITH, WITH THAT IN MIND AND HOPE, HOPE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT, UH, THINGS GO ON.

SO FAIR ENOUGH.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? GOOD EVENING, SIR.

GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS ROD TYLER.

IT'S AN HONOR TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO JOE, TO JOHN, ALONG WITH MY WIFE.

KAY.

WE'VE LIVED IN THIS HOUSE FOR 18 YEARS.

WE'VE KNOWN THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED LOCAL RETAIL, AND WE EXPECTED IT TO DEVELOP AS A LOCAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS TO COME UP AND HAVE THE, THE, UH, THREE STORY APARTMENTS MAKES US, MAKES US VERY ANXIOUS.

AND LET ME TELL YOU SOME OF THE REASONS WHY I'M VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THIS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE, UM, THIS THING IS AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE, ALMOST 30 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S A VERY HIGH DENSITY.

MULTI-FAMILY EVEN IF IT IS LIMITED TO 55 YEARS AND OLDER, BUT IT'S ADJACENT TO A VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO IT MAKES IT VERY INCOMPATIBLE.

ALSO IT'S WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEAT RECENTLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT DOES NOT LOOK CONSISTENT WITH YOUR RECENTLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THE PLANT ITSELF, UH, SHOWS HIS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.

AND WHEN YOU READ THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS, IT SAYS A MIXED USE, INCLUDING OR EXCLUDING TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN APARTMENTS, AND THESE ARE APARTMENTS AND THEY ARE THREE STORY.

THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO 55 YEARS AND OLDER, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WITH THE EXCEPTION.

I'LL GET TO, IF I HAVE TIME, IT ALSO DESCRIBES NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AS BEING LOW INTENSITY.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS LOW INTENSITY.

NEITHER OF THOSE USES ARE VERY LOW INTENSITY UNOBTRUSIVE FROM, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU FROM OUR FREEWAY.

IT'S NOT OBTRUSIVE, BUT IF YOU'RE IN MY BACKYARD, IT IS A TRUCE.

SO IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT RISES TO THAT LEVEL.

ALSO PART OF THAT, UH, PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IS SAFE, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE CONNECTIONS.

THERE IS NO CONNECTIONS AVAILABLE OR THAT CAN EASILY BE EVADE FROM THAT CORNER.

YOU GOT ALL FREEWAY FRONTAGE ON ONE SIDE AND YOU'VE GOT, UH, WINTER GREEN ON THE OTHER.

SO IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE ANY KIND OF PEDESTRIAN OR BIKE CONNECTIONS.

SO THAT MEANS ANYBODY LIVING HERE IS THAT'S LEAVING THE FACILITY, WE'LL BE DOING IT IN A CAR.

UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK IT'S AN OPPOSITION IS IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR STANDARD MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS THAT

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SO IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DENSER THAN YOUR STANDARD.

MULTI-FAMILY ALSO, YOU CAN HAVE THREE STORY APARTMENTS IN CEDAR HILL, BUT TO DO SO, YOU HAVE TO BE SET BACK AT LEAST 150 FEET FROM ANY SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO PROVIDE THAT DEGREE OF BUFFER BETWEEN THAT HEAVY, MORE INTENSIVE USE AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HERE THEY'RE PROPOSING A LESSER ONE, OR THEY CHANGED IT.

SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS NOW, BUT IT'S A LESSER DENSITY OR LESSER SETBACK.

AND I DO APPRECIATE HIM SHOWING THE DRONE FOOTAGE, BUT THAT'S TAKEN IN THE SUMMER TREES DON'T HOLD THEIR LEAVES THE ALL YEAR.

WE KNOW THAT.

AND THAT'S ALSO FROM THE TOP.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT IT ALL THE WAY DOWN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU'RE HAVING SENIOR LIVING, WHICH STILL HAVE WINDOWS OVERLOOKING OUR BACKYARDS, IT'S, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THE TREES AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND THAT'S THE VISUAL AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO SEE.

I ALSO WANT YOU TO BRING TO MIND ALL THE PICTURES THAT THEY SHOWED YOU, THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD DONE IN THE PAST ARE IN ART ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY.

THEY HAVE MULTIFAMILY ON SIDES.

I MEAN, I, I, I THINK THE INTERIOR IS QUITE WELL DONE, BUT HOW IT FITS INTO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, I DON'T THINK IS AS POSITIVE AS IT COULD BE IF IT WERE LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA OR IN THE CITY CENTER AREA FOR HER WANTING THAT INTENSITY AND WANTING PEOPLE TO COME IN.

AND WE WANT TO DEVELOPMENT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO USE THAT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUSINESSES.

I THINK IT'S A FAR BETTER FIT THERE THAN IT IS AT THIS LOCATION.

AND WITH THAT, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, NEXT, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO CASE NUMBER PD 4, 3, 5, 2022.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? NOT SEE ANYONE, NOT SEE ANYONE YOU WANT TO WANT TO POST.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEVELOPING A GRANDPARENT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE APPROACH.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT PORTION OF THE, AND, UM, COUNCIL.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COUNCIL MEMBER GLOVER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, WHERE AT THE BEGINNING, FIRST FOR OUR PLANNING AND ZONING, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THIS AND, AND, UH, AND COOPERATING AS YOU ALWAYS DO WITH EVERY APPLICANT AND DOING YOUR A HUNDRED PERCENT TO BE AT THEIR DISPOSAL AND PROVIDE THEM INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED.

UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, I COMPARE, I TAKE A LOOK AT OUR, WE ALREADY HAVE A SENIOR LIVING HERE CALLED THE LUNGS.

AND TO ME, THAT'S THE STANDARD.

UH, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS ONE, THIS LOOKS MORE LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH THE UNDER THE GUISE OF 55.

AND OVER WHEN I LOOK AT THE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE UNITS PER ACRE, WE HAVE A, UH, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX JUST UP THE ROAD CALLED THE JANE IT'S ON THE BIGGER PROPERTY, UM, 300 UNITS, LARGER ACREAGE, THIS FIVE ACRES OF DEDICATED TO PARK AREA.

BUT EVEN FOR THAT TRADITIONAL PARTMENT, THAT DENSITY IS 26 UNITS PER ACRE.

AND THIS IS SENIOR LIVING AND THIS IS OUR 55 AND OVER, AND WE'RE AT HIGHEST 28, 28 POINT 13.

AND THE LUXE IS AT 15.

SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN DENSITY RESIDENTS CALL AND, AND CONVEY THEIR, WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE.

THEIR HEALTH APARTMENTS IS VAR, VERY TOUCHING.

UM, THE MAJORITY OF OUR RESIDENTS WANT DO NOT WANT TRADITIONAL APARTMENTS AND OTHER THAN 55, AND OVER THIS LOOKS LIKE A TRADITIONAL APARTMENT.

I HAVE NOT HAD.

I'VE HAD CALLS FOR MORE POLICE.

I'VE HAD CALLS FOR ENTERTAINMENT FOR FINE DINING OPTIONS.

I'VE NEVER HAD A CALL FOR MORE STORAGE.

WE JUST APPROVE ANOTHER STORAGE ON BELTLINE AND UP THE ROAD ON YOUR DIAGRAM, YOU DID MENTION STORAGE AND THE PREVIOUS LIFE, I WAS A PHARMACEUTICAL, UM, PHARMACEUTICAL SALES REP.

I USED STORAGE THE ONE UP THE ROAD.

AT ONE POINT, THERE WAS NO ONE THERE.

SO I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT FROM EMPLOYMENT.

AND THEN WHEN I GO AND LOOK AT PUBLIC STORAGE, PUBLIC STORAGE ON THE WEST SIDE, OFFERS TOUCHLESS, UH, TOUCHLESS APPLICATIONS.

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I'M NOT EVEN SURE.

THE THREE PEOPLE THAT IS LISTED IN YOUR APPLIQUE IN YOUR PROPOSAL ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THERE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PATHS AROUND IT.

THERE'S A PUBLIC STORAGE IN MIDLAND AND A MANSFIELD ON 2 87.

I'M NOT SURE A RESTAURANT WANTS TO GO TO A SITE NEXT TO A PUBLIC STORAGE.

I DO SEE TOOL A TOOL RENTAL AND NOT JUST S UM, SMALL TOOLS, BUT INDUSTRIAL TOOLS.

I'M CONCERNED THAT IF WE DO A STORE, A STORAGE UNIT, ONE, OUR RESIDENTS, AREN'T ASKING FOR WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE PAD OCCUPANCY.

IS IT GOING TO BE THE RESIDENTS AT THE UNIT AT THE SENIOR LIVING, OR IS IT GOING TO BE THE STORAGE? AND IF IT'S THE STORAGE, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT U HALL AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, A TOOL RENTAL.

AND THAT'S A PRIME.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A PRIME LOCATION.

YOUR, THE PRESENTATION MAKES IT SEEM LIKE IT'S JUST A, AN UNDER-USE WITH NO POTENTIAL HIGHWAYS OR HOW POTENTIAL 1 61 COMES INTO GRAND PRAIRIE AND DEVELOPMENT JUST HAPPENS ALL AROUND THAT.

UM, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AS IT IS FROM A, FROM A, AND THE INCREASE IN APARTMENTS.

AND THEN ALSO ONCE, UH, ONCE A STORAGE IN THAT COMES IN, IT CAN'T BE REPURPOSED.

IF PUBLIC PUBLIC STORAGE DECIDES WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE JOE'S STORAGE.

AND THEN JOE'S STORES CAN'T MAKE IT.

THEN IT IS GENERATION GEN, A GENERIC STORAGE.

WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO REPURPOSE THAT CORNER.

THAT'S A VALUABLE POINT ON THE OTHER SIDE IS COSTCO, WHICH IS A DRIVER, WHICH IS IN DUNCANVILLE, WE'RE ACROSS THE STREET.

WE'RE BUILDING, UM, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR TOWNHOMES.

SO THAT'S A LIVELY CORNER.

I'M NOT SURE I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT TYPE OF STORAGE AND THAT TYPE OF DENSITY DRIVING THAT CORNER.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL BE VOTING, NO FOR.

THE 55, THE 55 AGE IS SENIOR.

I UNDERSTAND.

DID YOU WANT A RESPONSE OR, I MEAN, IF YOU, YOUR PRESENTATION WAS COMPLETE.

THE PRESENTATION THAT I RECEIVE AS A, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS SHOWING ALL THE, THE INTEGRATION'S VERY COMPLETE, WHAT THAT YOUR WEBSITE TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND THEN DALLAS.

AND IF THAT WERE COMING HERE, THAT WAS PICK, THAT WOULD PEAK MY INTEREST.

IT SEEMS THAT SOUTH OF 20, WE GET THESE TYPES OF INTEGRATIONS.

IT MAY WORK WELLING IN WAXAHACHIE OR MIDLOTHIAN, BUT WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO DALLAS.

WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO FORT WORTH.

WE'RE MORE OF A SUBURBAN, URBAN AREA WHERE THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING MORE CONTEMPORARY.

THE LUTZ IS VERY CONTEMPORARY.

THIS LOOKS MORE PLANTATION AS, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS IN CEDAR HILL AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS WILL FLOCK TO THAT.

UM, I AM NOT CONFIDENT THAT, UM, GOOD LORD WILLING WE'LL BE 60 THIS YEAR.

I ENVISION WHENEVER I DOWNSIZE, I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO GO TO A 900 SQUARE FOOT HOME.

AND IF I DO GO TO A 900 SQUARE FOOT HOME, I'M NOT GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN A 20, 20 BY 20 STORES, BECAUSE THAT MEANS I'M NOT DOWNSIZED.

SO I DON'T SEE THE SYNERGY THERE.

AND WE HAVE ALSO HAD WITH THE JANE UNREALIZED, UM, DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RETAIL, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT FUEL CITY IS COMING.

THEY PROMISE, THEY PROMISE THAT WE WOULD GET A TWO, UH, TWO RESTAURANTS.

WE'LL STILL WAITING ON THAT.

I'M NOT SURE CUSTOMER GLOVER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR THEM, WE DIDN'T HAVE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MAY WAS SURE.

I, AND I WANT TO RESPOND, BUT I I'LL, I'LL JUST KIND OF SAVE IT.

THERE MAY BE MAYBE SOME SIMILAR COMMENTS.

FIRST.

I HAVE A COUSIN HATE.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

MINDY COUNSELING GLOVER.

YOU SAID A LOT OF THINGS I HAD CONCERNS WITH, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS TOO, THAT I SEE THAT I WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH WAS THE PUBLIC STORAGE.

UM, HAVING A PUBLIC STORAGE SITTING UP THERE ON THE ENTRANCE TO OUR CITY, UH, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING IN AND SEEING WHAT OUR CITY'S ALL ABOUT.

I SEE THESE STORAGE PLACES ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND, AND AT THIS POINT, UH, THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST HOT BUTTONS RIGHT THERE.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT HAVING A STORAGE THERE.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT, UM, YOU KNOW, I TOO HAD SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS OF HOW THE CONSTRUCTION WAS AS FAR AS THIS, UH, UH, MULTIFAMILY.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS.

IT'S MULTIFAMILY.

WE THREW IN

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BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT, I THINK BASED ON A HIGH LEVEL, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AFFORDABILITY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BUT ALSO I THINK IT'S JUST THE, THE, THE ACTUAL, THE ASPECT OF 55, I THINK IS A MISNOMER.

AND SO WITH THAT, JUST LOOKING AT IT, UM, I'M NOT REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IN THAT AREA.

AND I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE OPPOSITION'S POINTED OUT A LOT OF THE REASONS I, HOW THIS THING MIXES IN WITH IT, AND I'VE BEEN ON A COUNCIL LONG ENOUGH TO KIND OF HEAR ALL THE PLANNERS AND SO FORTH.

SO, SO AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, I'M NOT, I'M NOT REALLY READY TO SAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCURDY, JUST THINKING OF COMING HERE.

UM, LET ME GONNA START BY REPEATING SOMETHING THAT WE SAY OFTEN AROUND HERE, AND THAT IS THAT THE CEDAR HILL VISION STATEMENT, IT, AT LEAST IT STARTS WITH, WE ENVISIONED CEDAR HILL AS A PREMIER CITY WITH DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER.

UM, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT DID I LOOK AT WHEN YOU GUYS WERE EVALUATING PROJECTS, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH OR NOT ONE, DOES THE PROJECT COMPLY WITH CURRENT ZONING, OBVIOUSLY IN THIS CASE? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE HERE, YOU'RE HERE APPLYING FOR A ZONING CHANGE.

UM, IS THE PROJECT PREMIER, IS IT SOMETHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES A PREMIERE STATEMENT ABOUT THE CITY? DOES, IS IT SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE CITY STAND OUT OR IS IT GOING TO STAND OUT FOR THE CITY? UM, IS THIS THE BEST THAT WE COULD EXPECT ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL OF LAND? IS THE PROJECT DISTINCTIVE? DOES THIS PROJECT ADD SOMETHING TO THE CITY THAT WE CURRENTLY LACK? UM, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DISTINGUISH US FROM SURROUNDING CITIES SURROUNDING AREAS DOES THE PROPOSED SITE, AND HOW DOES THE SITE RANK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF VIEW PROPERTIES AS RANKING IN TIER OF PRIORITY.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR MAIN FEEDERS, YOU HAVE YOUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AND SO WE HAVE TO EVALUATE, I THINK, PROJECTS BASED UPON THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF A PARTICULAR PARCEL, UH, TO THE CITY, BOTH NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

UM, AND IT, AS PART OF MY DUE DILIGENCE I WANTED, I SEARCHED BECAUSE I WAS SURE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OTHER OPPOSITION TO, UM, YOU KNOW, A SELF STORAGE UNIT.

SO I SEARCHED DID A GOOGLE SEARCH WARRANT, OVERCOMING MUNICIPAL OBJECTIONS, UH, TO STORAGE FACILITIES.

AND, UH, THE, THE BULLET POINTS THAT WERE LAID OUT WAS ONE, MAKE SURE THE PROJECT YOU'RE PROPOSING COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO YOU, SO YOU MISSED MR. MARK ON THE FIRST ONE.

UM, SECOND WAS OFFERED TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING AND BARRIER WALLS TO MAKE THE APPEARANCE MORE ACCEPTABLE.

UM, IT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW YOU PUT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DRONES UP THERE AND, AND THE EXISTING TREES, UH, IN THE SUMMER, OF COURSE MASKED THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO, TO MASK A THREE-STORY DEVELOPMENT, UM, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM SURROUNDING AREAS OR EVEN MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SELF STORAGE APPEALING IN, IN SPITE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ATTEMPTS THAT YOU ALL ALL MADE, UH, DISCUSSING LOCAL SERVICES THAT YOU MIGHT USE INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE LACK OF JOBS CREATED BY THE PROJECT.

AND THEY HAD JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE GENERAL, YOU KNOW, PRINCIPLE OF, OF SELF STORAGE.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF JOBS CREATED BY THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN FOR REVENUES FOCUS ON THE PROPERTY TAXES, INSTEAD OF THE LACK OF THE OTHER REVENUES THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY THE PROJECT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SALES TAX, UH, GENERATED FROM THE RENTAL OF THOSE LOCKERS.

UM, THERE'S NO BPP BASED UPON THE, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF THE ITEMS STORED IN THOSE LOCKERS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS OR WHO THEY BELONG TO.

AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OF CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, CRIME, TRAFFIC, LIGHT, AND NOISE, WHICH, WHICH REALLY AREN'T, I DON'T THINK IS RELEVANT TO WHERE THIS PROJECT IS.

I THINK BEING ON A HIGHWAY, YOU'RE GOING TO EXPECT A GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC.

I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF VISITS TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE VERSUS ANOTHER APPLICATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, I GO BACK PREMIERE OR DISTINCTIVE IS, IS THIS PROJECT PREMIER OR DISTINCTIVE? AND I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I, I, SO I DID ANOTHER SEARCH.

SO I SEARCHED FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF STORAGE FACILITIES WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS OF CEDAR HILL.

I CAME UP WITH 37 FACILITIES.

THAT'S A LOT.

AND THEN, SO I SEARCHED FOR SENIOR APARTMENT COMPLEX WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS OF CEDAR HILL.

AND I FOUND SEVEN COMPLEXES THAT ARE 55 PLUS WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS.

NOW THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE SENIOR HOUSING, AS MS. WALKER SAID, CAME UP AND SPOKE ABOUT, BUT IT'S FOR AFFORDABLE SENIOR

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HOUSING.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND, AND FRANKLY, I UNDERSTAND IT.

I GET IT.

YOU CAN'T BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS MARKET UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF A FEDERALLY BACKED LOAN AND A SUBSIDY PROGRAM TO DO SO.

SO WHAT WOULD DEFINE A PREMIER DEVELOPMENT AT THIS, AT THIS SITE? FOR ME, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A MARKET STREET, CENTRAL MARKET RECHARGED, FRESH TRADER JOE'S, ANOTHER HOSPITAL, OR A SATELLITE OF A, OF A HOSPITAL, TOP GOLF SHENANIGANS.

AND I REALIZED ALL OF THOSE MAY GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THAN, THAN THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND THERE ARE HAPPY WITH, BUT LONG I'M THINKING LONG-TERM ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS SITE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IS GOING TO BE THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.

YOU KNOW, UH, FIVE YEARS AGO, WE HAD SOMEBODY THAT PROPOSED TO PUT APARTMENTS RIGHT OVER HERE, UH, BEHIND THE GOVERNMENT BUILDING AND PLANNING AND ZONING WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THE DEVELOPER.

AND ULTIMATELY COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND PLANNING AND ZONING ULTIMATELY ENDED UP, UH, DENYING THEIR APPLICATION WITH PREJUDICE.

AND THAT VERY SITE TODAY IS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING OUR NEW LIBRARY, WHICH ENDED UP BECAUSE WE WERE PATIENT AND WE WAITED AND WE STARTED FOCUSING ON THIS CASE.

I AM, UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A POINT, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, APPLYING TO THIS SITE, UM, IF WE'RE WILLING TO WAIT INSTEAD OF SAYING, OH, WE'VE GOT TO JUMP AT THIS NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP THE SITE.

NOW, IF WE'RE WILLING TO WAIT, WE CAN GET THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, I'M SPEAKING OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, WE HAVE A NEW ARBITRARY COMING WE'RE REDEVELOPING, OUR DOWNTOWN.

WE HAVE THE CONVICTIONS HERE COMING, ALL THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO DRAW ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE CITY.

AND I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE HIGHER AND BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY, OTHER THAN SELF STORAGE AND APARTMENTS OR SENIOR APARTMENTS, UH, IT MAY INVOLVE, INVOLVE, UH, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS, BUT I ALSO, I DON'T SEE A ONE SAND AND GRAVEL THING THERE FOREVER EITHER.

I THINK THAT AT SOME POINT THAT PROPERTY WILL BECOME MORE VALUABLE.

AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S COMBINED WITH THIS PIECE AND, AND DEVELOPED OVERALL.

UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF.

IS IT NOW I KNOW WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THIS TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING, UH, RETIREMENT HOUSING, RETAIL RESTAURANT, MANY WAREHOUSE, SELF STORAGE.

UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT THOSE ITEMS? WELL, HOLD ON A SECOND, SANDRA, YOU CAN BE, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE APPLICANT HE WAS UP HERE? UM, LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE FILM THAT COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT WHILE HE'S UP HERE, THEN THAT'S FUN.

I MEAN, I JUST, I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION THOUGH.

UM, I GUESS IF WE JUST GET BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ON THAT.

ACRES ON LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY.

UM, NEXT, UH, MAYOR PROTIUM SENTENCE, HUH? THANK YOU MIRROR.

SO I'M GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT IN THE NEGATIVE ABOUT BEING, HAVING SAT AS CITY MANAGER HERE FOR 15 YEARS.

THERE'S SOME HISTORY I HAVE.

AND SO, UH, AN ASPECT THAT WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED AS, UM, BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, WE REZONED THE ENTIRE CITY AND WE TOOK OUT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ZONING, RETAIL ZONING ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND WE SPECIFICALLY PLACED THAT RETAIL COMMERCIAL ZONING ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, UH, IN THE CITY.

AND SO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING ARE VERY, VERY LIMITED.

WE, WE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED OUR COMMERCIAL RETAIL FOOTPRINT IN THE CITY, UH, YEARS AGO.

AND SO, UH, I, I DID NOTICE THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY THE PLANNING STAFF, THAT THIS IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

WE DON'T HAVE, WE'VE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED THOSE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CITY.

AND ONE OF THESE DAYS, I'M AFRAID WE'RE GOING TO REGRET THAT IF WE PROVE ZONING LIKE THIS, UM, WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT THINGS COMING IN AND IT'S GONNA, UH, OPEN THE DOOR FOR OUR POTENTIAL FOR BETTER PROJECTS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UH, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR HOSPITAL.

WE'VE ALSO HAVE A LAKE RIDGE IN A CHANGE THAT MAY BRING IN A PROJECT OF 150

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SO THAT'S ONE THING.

THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THERE, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT SENIOR HOUSING AND, UM, I'M THRILLED AS I'M SEVEN YEARS OLD.

SO I'M A BIG FAN OF SENIOR HOUSING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE.

MS. WALKER, I DON'T, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT WE VOTED FOR AFFORDABLE SENATE HOUSING WITH APPROVAL OF THIS.

THERE'S ANOTHER CONCERN.

I HAVE THIS 28 UNITS PER ACRE.

UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF GENERAL APARTMENTS AROUND 18.

THIS IS 28.

SO THIS IS FAR MORE DENSE THAN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

THAT MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

THE THIRD THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THIS, UH, THAT THE STATE SET THAT REQUIREMENTS ARE 150 FEET IN, AND THIS IS ONLY 112.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR OWN ZONING ORDINANCE.

SO THAT ALONG WITH THE, UM, THE, UM, CONCERN THAT I HAVE, THAT IT NOT BEING COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH A NEWLY ADOPTED COMP PLAN.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY COMING ME CLAMORING FOR PUBLIC STORES.

I JUST, I'VE NEVER HAD A PHONE CALL WHERE I SAID, MAN, PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE ME SOME MORE PUBLIC STORES.

SO THE FACT THAT THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL ZONING THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, THE FACT THAT THE SENIOR HOUSING NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE FAR GREATER THAN, UH, UH, A NORMAL COMP APARTMENT COMPLEX, THE ZONING SETBACKS, UH, IN, IN, IN LACK OF COMP, UH, COMPATIBILITY WITH OUR COMP PLAN, THE PUBLIC STORAGE.

AND LIKE I SAID TO MS. WALKER, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

THIS IS AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING.

I WON'T VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT HERE.

UNDERSTAND, UM, WELL, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN THE CEDAR HILL.

UM, I GUESS I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ACTUALLY, BUT BEFORE I BEGIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, YEAH, I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF.

I MEAN, I, I, I, I'M STARING AT A BRICK WALL HERE AND I DON'T SEE MANY OPENINGS, SO I GET THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT.

UH, WE, WE CAN'T WIN THEM ALL.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, I DON'T PRETEND THAT I'VE GOT A CRYSTAL BALL AND CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT I FULLY UNDERSTAND, UH, THE POINT THAT YOU MADE COUNCIL MEMBER MCCURDY, UM, THAT IF, IF WE WAIT, PERHAPS THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE AND, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT MAYBE DOESN'T WORK ON THIS SITE TODAY WILL WORK IN THE FUTURE.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LIKED BETTER.

I GET THAT.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS.

THE SITE IS IN FRONT OF US TODAY.

UH, AND W W WE TAKE PRIDE IN DOING OUR RESEARCH AND DETERMINING WHAT WE CAN DEVELOP AND BE SUCCESSFUL WITH ON A GIVEN SITE, WE ARE HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN DEVELOP WITH A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE OF SUCCESS.

THIS MIX OF USES, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID ABOUT PUBLIC STORAGE, PUBLIC STORAGE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THEM COMPARED TO ANY OTHER STORAGE FACILITY, THEY DON'T STRIKE OUT.

THEY DON'T.

UM, I, I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT THE FACT THAT WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT AND THEY HAVE A VERY AGGRESSIVE DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE FOR THAT SITE, THAT, THAT THEY HAD DONE THEIR RESEARCH, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE MARKET DESPITE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF STORAGE.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST QUALITY, BEST LOOKING STORAGE FACILITY THAT CEDAR HILL WOULD HAVE.

UH, ALBEIT MAYBE THERE'S A LOT OF IT.

UM, BUT I, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.

UM, IT'S TOUGH WITH RENDERINGS ON CONCEPT PLANS WHEN YOU'RE GOING IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND, AND, UM, AND, AND CITY COUNCIL, CAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN THE ARCHITECTURAL PROCESS, RIGHT.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, BUT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH RENDERINGS BASED ON RIGHT.

OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, THE, I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THAT THE HUNDREDS, I THINK WE'RE AT 27 UNITS AN ACRE.

SO, UM, ALL OF THE FIVE ABOUT TO BE SEVEN PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE THREE THAT WE'VE ALREADY SOLD, PLUS THE 12 THAT WE HAVE IN THE PIPELINE COMING BEHIND THEM.

UH, THE, THE DENSITY I HAVE HEARD OF SOME CITIES BASED OWNING WOULD BE 18 UNITS.

ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS RANGED FROM 24 UNITS, AN ACRE UP TO AS MUCH AS 60 UNITS AN ACRE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN WAXAHATCHEE.

UM, THERE IS A MINIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN AN ACTIVE ADULT PROPERTY TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK.

UM, THESE ARE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD 20 TO 25% MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A CONVENTIONAL MULTIFAMILY THAT'S BECAUSE ALL THE CORRIDORS ARE AIR CONDITIONED AND ENCLOSED.

WE'VE GOT DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF CLUBHOUSE IN AMENITY SPACE, AND WE PUT IN A, IN A CONVENTIONAL, UH, THIS PROPERTY WOULD HAVE ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF CLUBHOUSE AND HUMIDITY SPACES, INCLUDING RESORT STYLE, POOL PICKLEBALL, UM, TO ANSWER THE AFFORDABLE QUESTION, I WANTED TO BE CLEAR.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY AFTER THE PRESENTATION, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PRETEND FOR A SECOND THAT WE'RE BRINGING SUBSIDIZED

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AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE'RE NOT, UM, WE, WE LIKE TO DEVELOP AND BUILD HIGH QUALITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

THIS IS AN ACTIVE ADULT, UH, PROPERTY.

WE, THE PD WOULD TIE US TO 55 AND OLDER KIND OF WHAT YOU WILL, BUT WE CAN'T JUST CHANGE OUR MIND AND REVERT TO, YOU KNOW, A CONVENTIONAL PROPERTY.

UM, EVEN THE ECONOMICS WOULD WORK BECAUSE WE SPENT SO MUCH MORE CONSTRUCTING IT, UM, AND A MONETIZING IT.

BUT, UH, NONETHELESS, UH, WE, WE BUILD HIGH-QUALITY, UH, PROPERTIES.

UH, OUR WALKS ANTSY PROJECT IS AN AVERAGE OF 900, A SQUARE FOOT PER UNIT.

THAT'S, THAT'S INTENTIONAL AND THAT'S BY DESIGN WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OUR MARKET RESEARCH.

THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, UH, OF, OF, OF RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, THAT WE CAN FILL THOSE UNITS.

UM, UP THERE, THERE, THERE WAS MORE TENANTS WHO WOULD RATHER HAVE A HIGH PRIORITY LIFESTYLE, HIGH QUALITY AMENITIES, A LOT OF AMENITIES, UM, BOTH IN THE CLUBHOUSE SPACE AND THE COMMON AREAS AND THE COURTYARDS AND A VERY HIGH QUALITY FINISHED OUT UNIT.

THEN HAVING A LOWER QUALITY UNIT THAT'S BIGGER IN SIZE.

SO THAT THAT'S JUST AS TO WHY WE DO IT THE WAY THAT WE DO IT.

BUT BY NO MEANS, IS THIS A QUOTE UNQUOTE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THIS IS A CLASS, A LUXURY ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.

UM, AND ON THE RETAIL PADS, AGAIN, WE CAN'T, WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE PLAN IS WHAT WE CAN MAKE WORK TODAY.

I FULLY RESPECT ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS AS TO THE FACT THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE FOR YOU.

AND YOU BELIEVE THAT IF, IF, IF YOU WAIT, UH, THINGS WILL CHANGE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.

I REALLY, REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS RECEIVING ME, HEARING ME OUT.

UH, WE DON'T GET TO WIN THEM ALL.

I WISH WE DID.

UH, I RESPECT THAT.

UH, I STILL WANT TO HOPEFULLY COME BACK IN THE FUTURE IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS ONE, UH, ON ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, ANOTHER SITE WE'D LIKE CEDAR HILL AND WE'D LIKE TO DO DEVELOPMENT HERE.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND YOUR CANDOR.

OF COURSE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, UH, ALLOW ME TO SOFTEN THE BLOW, SO TO SPEAK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO.

I'VE GOT THICK SKIN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST FINISHED THE CORRIDOR OF 67.

UM, ALONG WITH THAT PROJECT, WE ALSO HAVE, WHAT'S CALLED A BLUE RIBBON PROJECT.

IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH TEXTILES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENHANCE OUR LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THAT CORRIDOR.

AND I, I RECALL THAT WE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WELCOME TO CEDAR HILL FEATURE JUST ADJACENT TO NO, THAT INTERSECTION, UM, RIGHT THERE.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOLLOWING THAT INTERSECTION, AND THEN KIND OF FIRST THING YOU SEE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THAT BOX, UM, JUST, JUST CAN'T REALLY SEE IT RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT REALLY A GOOD FIT? I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE RIGHT FOR CEDAR HILL, AS I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THIS COULD BE A NEW, MODERN TYPE OF STORAGE THAT MAY BE COMING HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

UH, BUT, UH, JUST SEEING IT RIGHT NOW AFTER WE JUST, JUST, I MEAN, THE BLUE RIBBON PROJECT IS NOT EVEN REALLY FINISHED.

WE'D LIKE BE LIKE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED.

UM, SO JUST SEEING WHAT THAT SIGN KIND OF LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN KIND OF SEEING THE FIRST THING THAT'S BECOME HAVE RIGHT THERE.

JUST THAT ENHANCEMENT, NOT SURE IF IT REALLY COMPLIMENTS, NOT SAYING IT WON'T FIT, BUT JUST KIND OF HARD TO SEE RIGHT NOW.

UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AT THE BEGINNING, AND THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR ME COUNCIL, A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS IN THE BEGINNING ABOUT, UM, ENTERTAINMENT, ENTERTAINMENT, HIGH TRAFFIC.

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINMENT? IS IT, IF IT'S SOMEONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT COULD GO ON THE SITE UNDER CURRENT.

YEAH, I GET THAT.

BUT I GUESS EARLIER THE PRESENTATION WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE WAS TALKS ABOUT, WE DON'T WANT ENTERTAINMENT BECAUSE OF HIGH TRAFFIC, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHO WAS EVEN PROPOSING ENTERTAINMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK, I THINK THE POINT THAT WAS BEING MADE IS, YOU KNOW, HEY, I THINK THE POINT THAT WAS BEING MADE IS, IS IF ANYTHING, WE'RE DOWN ZONING, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT'S LESS IMPACT.

SO WE WERE, IT WAS A COMPARISON TO WHAT COULD GO THERE TODAY UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.

I, I THINK THE CASE THAT WAS TRYING TO BE MADE IS, HEY, WE THINK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT SOFTER AND BETTER IN EVERY WAY THAN WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE TODAY.

AND LOOK, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A REASON THAT THE SITE HAS SAT VACANT FOR AS LONG AS IT HASN'T, IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE TODAY.

HOWEVER, VERY WELL MAY BE IN FIVE YEARS.

AND I RESPECT THAT WELL, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE MY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I WROTE DOWN WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE UNITS, UH, YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

UM, IF, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I GET A LOT OF CALLS BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, THANKS FOR GIVING US, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD OPEN SPACE.

UH, WE, WE MAKE AN ALL OF OUR TRAILS AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, AND IN OUR PARKS CONNECT, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE MISSING IS, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT HIGH-QUALITY RETAIL,

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THAT FAMILY EXPERIENCE.

UM, BUT I'M ALSO HEARING WE DON'T HAVE A READY PLACE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR US TO PLAY.

UM, SO WHEN I'M HEARING ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY AND ESPECIALLY ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF 67, YOU DON'T, THE ENTERTAINMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME OFF THE, THE THOROUGHFARE, BUT MAYBE OFF THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST KEEP THE TRAFFIC ALONE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHWAY THERE, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO GO TODAY, BUT IF IT DOESN'T GO, UH, YOU KNOW, FAVORABLE TO YOU, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO KIND OF RECONFIGURE THE SITE, UH, SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAYS TO BE ABLE TO IS CUSTOM, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT THE WHISPERS OF, UH, OF WHAT WE WANT HERE IN CEDAR HILL.

AND, UM, I THINK COUNCILMAN HAYDEN MENTIONED, THIS IS, THIS IS A PREMIER SITE, OUR CUSTOMER GLOVER, THIS IS A PREMIER LOCATIONS.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE ENTRY OF OUR CITY.

UM, AND WE JUST WANT SOMETHING SPECIAL THERE THAT KIND OF COUPLE MINUTES ARE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER.

SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

YEAH, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND.

I REALLY, REALLY SINCERELY APPRECIATE IT.

UH, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A TOP GOLF OR SOME SORT OF GREAT ENTERTAINMENT USE WORK ON THE SITE WE CAN'T TODAY.

OTHERWISE THAT WOULD, THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU WITH.

BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OTHER SITES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN GET YOU GUYS EXCITED ABOUT AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE A DEVELOPMENT WORK.

UM, IF, IF THIS ONE DOESN'T WORK ON THE SITE, YOU KNOW, I W WE'RE OKAY.

WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP TRYING.

AND WE WON'T, WE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE WANT TO BE HERE AND WE WANT TO HAVE A HIGH QUALITY REPUTATION AND, UH, WE WANT TO BE KNOWN AS GOOD TO WORK WITH.

SO THANK YOU MUCH.

UM, MS. STRINGFELLOW, DO YOU MIND COMING UP? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION IS, BUT HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, MS. SCORE.

CORRECT ME IF I MISSED THE RESPONSE.

UM, WELL, I'M PLAYING FOR THE SHAW NOW, RIGHT? SO I CAN'T NO FORGIVE ME FOR THAT.

UM, I, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD SIMPLY BE TO VOTE ON, HAS BEEN, OH, SORRY.

COUNSELOR OCCURRED.

HAD A QUESTION.

I JUST WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION WAS.

COULD HE COULD GET THE COUNCIL, MAKE A MOTION FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO VOTE ON WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.

YOU PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK ON SOME THINGS YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, LET THEM COME BACK WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

UM, LET ME LOOK AT MY PLANNING DIRECTOR, IS THAT, THANK YOU.

SO, SO IF I DO TO TRY TO PARAPHRASE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, UM, I COULD MODIFY THE PROPOSALS BEFORE, BUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE NOT DO THAT OR THAT I NOT DO THAT.

CORRECT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, BUT IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A PD.

UH, THEN IT'D BE LOCKED IN AS A PD.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS KEEP IT HOW IT IS RIGHT, RIGHT NOW.

I UNDERSTAND.

I GOT IT.

SO, SO WITH THAT, I, I MEAN, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ANOTHER COMMENT, I WOULD JUST SIMPLY MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION.

I DO HAVE A MOSER FOR DENIAL OF CASE NUMBER PD 4 3, 5, 2022.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OTHER FAILURES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND MOTION ANIMUS.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR INTEREST IN CEDAR HILL.

AND, UM, HOPE YOU INTEREST REMAINS THE SAME.

NEXT ITEM IS

[8. Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda includes routine items that may be acted upon with a single vote. Any council member may remove items from the Consent Agenda for separate discussion and consideration.]

A CONSENT AGENDA.

THE CONSENT AGENDA INCLUDES ROUTINE ITEMS MAY BE ACTED UPON WITH THIS SINGLE VOTE.

ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY REMOVE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS AND CONSIDERATION.

WE DO HAVE ONE POOL ITEM, WHICH IS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM F A.

SO I'LL BEGIN WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.

CONSIDER APPROVING THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL CALL OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING HELD ON NATHAN 20 AND 30TH, 222 AND JULY 7TH, 2022, UH, ITEM BE CONSIDER A THOUSAND OF MEDA SQ THREE YEAR MICROSOFT LICENSE AND SOFTWARE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK I WANT TO PULL THAT ONE.

IS THIS THE ONE WITH THE QUOTE? THAT'S THE ONE.

UH, REPRESENTATIVE GREG WALLACE, CAROL ARCHITECTS, APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER, RYAN WALLACE, TEXAS SOLAR PANELS, PRO ITEM E CASE NUMBER PP 4 5 8, 2,222 APPROVED.

I'M SORRY.

LET ME GO AHEAD AND PULL B.

SO I'LL BE CLARIFICATION.

I DON'T SEE CONSIDER AUTHORIZATION.

UH, THE MAYOR CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SQ A WORK AUTHORIZATION 22 DASH OH TWO IN THE AMOUNT OF 327,300 WITH KIMMY HORN AND ASSOCIATES FOR THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE U S HIGHWAY 67 IN LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY, WATERLINE RELOCATION, PROJECT ITEM D CASE NUMBER SP 4 6 3, 2022.

APPROVING THE CORDS WITH THE PLANNING IS ONLY COMMISSIONED RECOMMENDATION WITH AN APPLICATION FOR A REVISED SITE PLAN AND PROPOSED A ZONE.

I INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT UNION LOCATED ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF HALL STREET AND JEALOUS WAY WITH, UH, THE APPROXIMATE ADDRESS BEING FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE JEALOUSY WAY REPRESENT,

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AND OF COURSE WE'RE PUTTING HIS ONLY COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION AND APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE BROADMORE VINTAGE EDITION ON PROPERTIES ON PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 2022 DASH 7 4 9, JR.

LOCATED SOUTH JOE WILSON ROAD IN SOUTH WATERFORD OAKS DRIVE SOUTH OF EAST BELTLINE ROAD WITH THE APPROXIMATE ADDRESS BEING 2005, SOUTHWEST RO REPRESENTATIVE RYAN HARTMAN, SMEARS ENGINEERING, UH, APPLICANT, PROPERTY OWNER, CODY BAILEY, STARLIGHT, TEXAS HOME LLC.

AND FINALLY ITEM G AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF ADDITIONAL FIRE APPARATUS AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR SERVICES FROM SEEDINGS AND MARTIN, UH, IN THE AMOUNT OF $59,000 COUNCIL.

THOSE YOU CONSENT SEND THE ITEMS AND PROTIUM MAY I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS, A C D E N G WITH EXCLUDING EXCLUSION OF BNF.

WE DO HAVE A MOTION FOR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, A SECOND FOR CUSTOMER HAYDEN? UH, THEN FURTHER PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND MALICIOUS VENOMOUS.

WE'LL BEGIN

[b. Consider authorizing the Mayor to execute a 3 year Microsoft License and Software assurance Agreement in the amount of $43,091 per year with SHI International Corp., for the City's Microsoft license and software management. ]

WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEM B, CONSIDER AUTHORIZATION, UH, CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE A THREE YEAR MICROSOFT LICENSE AND SOFTWARE ASSURANCE AGREEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 43,000 0 9 1 PER YEAR WITH S H I E INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION FOR THE CITY'S MICROSOFT LICENSING SOFTWARE MANAGEMENT.

UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S OKAY.

CITY MANAGER, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE GOT A QUOTE HERE, BUT THE CODE DOESN'T MATCH THE 43,000.

SO YES, SIR.

I CAN, I CAN PULL THAT OUT.

SO THIS IS A THREE-YEAR AGREEMENT AND SO THE 43 TIMES THREE ACTUALLY EQUALS THE 1 29 TO 17.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.

WE JUST DIVIDING THAT NUMBER BY THREE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

THAT'S ALL.

I REALLY NEEDED.

ALL RIGHT.

THE FLOOR IS OPEN WE DO HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE.

SECOND SECOND.

YOU DO HAVE EMOTIONAL CUSTOMER HAYDEN.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND FROM THE PROTESTS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND MOTION ANIMUS.

THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

AND LAST ITEM

[f. Consider adopting Ordinance No. 2022-765, amending Chapter 2, Article 1, Section 2-1 of the Cedar Hill Code of Ordinances related to attendance rules and regulations for appointed board and commission members.]

IS CONSIDERED ADOPTING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022 DASH 7 6 5 AMENDING CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE ONE, SECTION TWO, ONE OF THE CEDAR HILL CODE OF ORDINANCE RELATED TO ATTENDANCE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR APPOINTED BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.

UH, COUNCIL.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY ON THE, UH, PREVIOUS COUNCIL AGENDA IDLE, AND, UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, REMOVED AND IT WAS, UH, RESCHEDULED FOR TODAY FOR ANY POTENTIAL, UH, C'MON COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL.

SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL COUNCIL MCGOVERN? YEAH.

OH, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THIS READ INTO THE RECORD SO THAT EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND IS WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE COMMUNITY THAT LOVES VOLUNTEERING AND BEING ON OUR BOARDS.

AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE ENOUGH POSITIONS THAT WE CAN SATISFY THAT.

AND OTHER TIMES WE DON'T, WE HAVE MORE APPLICANTS THAN WE HAVE POSITIONS.

UM, AND THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

I JUST REALLY WANTED TO BE READ I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH IT.

WE'RE CHANGING IT FROM THREE RIGOR, REGULAR MISSING THREE REGULAR MEETINGS TO A, IF YOU MISS 25% OF YOUR MEETINGS, BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE BOARDS THAT MEET DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF TIMES DURING THE YEAR.

SO MISSING 25% OF SUCH BOARD COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION IN A 12 MONTH PERIOD, UM, THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE THEIR POSITION CONSIDERED AND DEEMED AS VACANT.

AND, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE, WE, WE, UH, THIS WAS PULLED FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE.

WE WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AND, AND, AND, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS VERY FAIR AND, AND I'LL, WE'LL ALLOW OUR PARTICIPANTS TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO AND WHAT THE THRESHOLD IS FOR 10 MINUTES.

THANK YOU, CUSTOMER GLOVER, COUNCILOR HAYDEN.

SO NOT JUST, UH, NOT TO REITERATE WHAT HE SAID, BUT JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT REGULAR MEETINGS, BUT IT'S TOTAL MEETINGS WITHIN A PARTICULAR 12 MONTHS.